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Squinks51 02-10-2014 12:54 PM

Opinions on using a prong collar?
 
I'm thinking of using a prong collar for my female german shepherd but have heard so many bad things about them. also a lot of good results. i had talked to my friends dog trainer and he recommended me using a medium sized prong collar. before i go ahead on buying one i need some opinions on wether i should or not. my shepherd does Great off leash but city rules say i must have her on leash. and she pulls excessively when on one. I've tried using gentle leader but still doesn't seem to quiet work. she's been on one for a couple months but always seems to chew them apart and just keep pulling.

Shade 02-10-2014 01:00 PM

I don't have a problem with a prong as long as it's fitted and used correctly :) It can be a great tool, but it's just that - a tool, training still has to be done regardless.

hunterisgreat 02-10-2014 01:02 PM

if she can chew the collar it is *excessively* loose.

Baillif 02-10-2014 01:13 PM

Used correctly prongs are fantastic tools. Used incorrectly they can be abusive. Important thing to remember when using them is to be tactful. Proper use of one is really something best coached 1 on 1. You cant really learn by reading about it and to a certain extent most probably couldnt learn to use them well by watching someone in a video. It has to be felt.

Use of them also varies dog to dog and situation to situation. It can be a little tricky.

Blanketback 02-10-2014 01:17 PM

Don't buy a crappy one - get a Herm Sprenger. You might find a decent one in a pet store, but check the prong tips to make sure they're nicely rounded and not the cheap blunt cut that they also sometimes sell.

Castlemaid 02-10-2014 01:20 PM

Properly used, a prong collar is very humane - dogs don't mind them, and the prong allows you to communicate to you dog very effectively.

Kaimeju 02-10-2014 01:42 PM

We got a Titan brand prong from a pet store and it works pretty well. I don't know how well this brand would work for a very strong puller. Keep in mind the smaller prongs are much easier to size than the larger ones.

I would look for a trainer to show you how to use one correctly. There are a lot of videos online of people using them inappropriately.

It will help you have more control while you work on training. If you train well, you won't need a prong or head halter to have your dog walking on a loose leash in the future.

HOBY 02-10-2014 01:42 PM

I have used a prong collar on my dogs over the years under the guidance of a trainer. It was like power steering.

Chip18 02-10-2014 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baillif (Post 4998482)
Used correctly prongs are fantastic tools. Used incorrectly they can be abusive. Important thing to remember when using them is to be tactful. Proper use of one is really something best coached 1 on 1. You cant really learn by reading about it and to a certain extent most probably couldnt learn to use them well by watching someone in a video. It has to be felt.

Use of them also varies dog to dog and situation to situation. It can be a little tricky.

This is well put advise! "Properly" used they can turn around a dog real quick! I did it wrong! The only dog I used it on...was the only dog I ever had that would not walk nicely on leash!!!

I got lucky in the sense that my ineptitude did not cause additional issues! If you can get qualified counsel, in the proper use of a prong collar then please proceed.

If you can't do that...no need to reinvent the wheel. I've already proven that it's not a tool that should be used by the unskilled. :)

David Taggart 02-10-2014 02:12 PM

It depends what dog you have, never ever use prong on nervous or agressive dogs. Prong should never be used for training, it's used for corrections of commands your dog knows well already. I used prong myself, a long time ago though, and found it a complete waste of time - the whole system of commands could be learned without even a leash. You may well ask, why people use them then? Because we have a trouble communicating with our dogs. While humans use speech, the dogs mainly use their body language. If you talk to your dog his language, you would use your body to command. Herding, for instance, is an art of dog training, where a man speaks to his dog using 99% of body language and 1% of sound signals. Dogs understand command by gesture much better and faster than words. Absolutely unaware that, we provide our dogs with wrong signals. It must be a terribly difficult task for the dog - to ignore that, what signals to him as a command one way, and try to undestand what we want from him by using voice command in the same time. If you use body language in order to train him to stop pulling with any length of your leash - with your dog pulling forward, stop yourself, click your tongue couple of times, and turn 180 degrees back, he will follow you. But, the dog always want to move, and he would be ahead of you in one minute of time. Repeat clicking and turning back until he gets, that, if he wants to move forward - he shouldn't pull. It will take you only half an hour to train, and number of times you would have to remind him will diminish with every day. To train "Heel" do it on a short leash, and just stop every time he pulls. Walk by the wall of some building on your left to make him stick to your leg. Hold his ball in your right hand placed at your heart, if you want him to look at you while he heels. If your dog decides to rush after a cat - start running backwards yourself, drop the leash, you woudn't have to call him even once, he will turn after you. One aspect I shouldn't miss here, that we don't live in environment, which allows us to train our dogs on every walk and everywhere. I'm talking about the danger of traffic. Before you train your dog to heel off leash, you can use a tool which wouldn't affect her nervous system as badly, as prong:
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