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wyoung2153 02-09-2014 03:00 PM

Obsessive barking... spraying with vinegar???
 
Curious on y'alls thoughts.. Titan is so intent on barking at people who come into the house. He's not aggressive, just doesn't stop when you say so.. he knows the word "enough" very well but for some reason when he is in bark mode ONLY in the house.. will he pay no mind. I say enough and gors feom alert bark to excited bark and he continues. I say go to bed and he goes to bed yipping excitedly the whole way, lays down and excitedly barks and barks. He will sit there yipping for about 15 minutes. He is only allowed out of his bed when he's quiet. Once he is released, he just sniffs the guests and goes about his business.. Anyways.. nothing I have tried has broken this habit.. We've done the ignore until he's quiet.. and still do. We have done OB with him when someone comes to the door and he still barks crazily at the door/guests in between actions. I've leashed him and attempted correction.. that doesn't work.. I'm at a loss on how to fix this. I don't want him not to alert me but I want to be able to say "enough" and him be quiet.

Well we went to our one on one trainer yesterday for various small issues and she was fantastic.. before you dig into her and chastise her for suggesting this next method, just know she has been highly recommended to me by MANY dog trainers including my SAR team lead. She comes with an insane amount of titles and certs and it all really speaks for itself. Anyways she was wonderful and gave us some great homework and ideas for fixing some issues. The ONLY thing she suggested that turned me sideways was using vinegar on Titan when he barks. Not diluted vinegar.. but straight distilled white vinegar. She said because he is so intense and nothing will break him.. he needs something to pull him out of the moment.. she said it may irritate him but it's not going to do any damage at all. we conveniently had someone n pop in unannounced to which he responded like I knew he would barking like crazy.. again excitement not aggressive.. she sprayed him with it and he stopped. So it's effective.. but I'm just not sure how I feel about using vinegar.. There are very mixed reviews on the subject when I researched.. so that's why I came to you guys just to gather thoughts.. maybe someone has an experience with barking and can direct me too.. what are the thoughts?

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Blanketback 02-09-2014 03:33 PM

Before you ask if it works, or is a good idea, or if others do it - go put a bit of vinegar in your eye. I just did, lol. It didn't sting at first but then it did feel funny. I rinsed my eye with water, and it still feels a little awful. Lol, the things we'll do for our dogs, huh?

wyoung2153 02-09-2014 03:39 PM

Haha I honestly would have done that if I decided I was going to spray him with it.. lol. I have never heard of using it so I was curious if maybe it was just my ignorance lol.. I may still try it just to see but it'll be this evening when I take my contacts out, lol. Thank you for testing the theory out! Ha!

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gsdsar 02-09-2014 03:46 PM

Maybe it's just the shock of spraying something. Try plain water and see if it works.


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Freestep 02-09-2014 03:46 PM

It is effective for some dogs, you just have to be careful not to spray it into the dog's eyes. It's the same concept as the citronella-spraying bark collars, which do seem to work for some dogs.

There's also a tool called the "barker breaker" that emits a high-frequency tone inaudible to humans, but annoying to dogs. It works for some dogs. There are also collars that use this technology.

There's another product called "Stop That!" which is a little bottle of compressed air with the addition of doggie pheromones. When the dog barks, you spray a burst at him. The blast of compressed air works to startle him out of bark mode, and then the pheromones work to calm him down. I tried it in my grooming shop, it did seem to work, but the bottle didn't last very long. I got maybe a couple dozen blasts out of it before it died. Now I just use the regular pheromone spray when I have a chronic barker. It's not an instant fix, but it does seem to calm down most dogs eventually.

Blanketback 02-09-2014 03:47 PM

Lol, no problem :) My verdict is, it will work because it isn't a pleasant sensation. But I think it would be mean because I don't know what my eye would feel like if I didn't rinse it out, if dogs' eyes are the same as ours. You could probably whack him with a 2x4 just as easily, to get the point across, and not blind him. JK!!!! LOL!!!

my boy diesel 02-09-2014 03:48 PM

plain water with a few tsp of vinegar in a squirt bottle
will work
you don't need it full strength as is so pungent
i'd never use it full strength

Harry and Lola 02-09-2014 04:25 PM

I would be really concerned about damaging his eye with vinegar, regardless of how much watered down it is, surely plain water will be enough to distract him?

wyoung2153 02-09-2014 05:00 PM

I'll try diluted.. and unfortunately just plain water won't work. Titan LOVES playing with water.. even out of the squirt bottle. He didn't want to play with it when the trainer did it because he knew it wasn't water and it shocked him.. though maybe the shock should be enough to pull him out. Hmmm.. try just plain first?

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wyoung2153 02-11-2014 10:34 AM

Anyone else have experience with a barker.. only in the home when someone comes over?

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