when to start biting training?

Aralango · 03-22-2013, 01:41 AM

My GSD is 10 months old. And the trainer said, she don't want to bite (in her biting protection training). Is it because she still a puppy? or her personality?

I'm worry that she will never be a protective dog.

What I know about her:

*Super submissive!
*Fear aggression.
*Barking a lot at strangers.

She likes to be (or pretend) to be aggressive at strangers, by barking strongly non-stop, or heading to them like she wanna attack them. But when the person didn't care and keep heading to her, she get scare and go back "retreating".

Lucy Dog · 03-22-2013, 01:46 AM

Do you really think it's a good idea to attempt to bite train a dog with all those issues?

You really should just be working on her confidence instead of trying to make her more aggressive or a possible weapon.

Aralango · 03-22-2013, 02:04 AM

That what was the trainer doing, trying to give her the confidence by barking at an intruder, and then the intruder will run away (because she was barking) and petting her.
So, in barking she is good, but in biting no.

Lucy Dog · 03-22-2013, 02:22 AM

If I were to train a dog to bite or in protection, I'd want the dog to have the right stuff upstairs. Strong nerves, high thresholds, confidence, a clear mind.

Any dog with poor nerves can bark. It's the ones that can think before reacting that are the ones that are right for real protection training IMO.

Training a dog that is already fearful of people and with a not so great nerve base is just asking for trouble and a possible lawsuit. You're reinforcing her fear. She barks and you're telling her good girl. Do you really think she's going to be able to tell if the person she's barking at means harm to you? If this were my dog, I'd ditch the protection training all together.

Who is this trainer and what credentials does he have in this kind of training?

At this point, she's still young and probably can be worked with. You want to teach her that people are good. You should want her to ignore and not react to everyone and everything. Build a bond with your dog. Let her feel like you're the one doing the protecting... not the other way around. Do you really want a dog who thinks it's actually a good thing to bark at every single person and strange thing she sees out in public? This is what I mean by building her confidence.

LoveEcho · 03-22-2013, 08:09 AM

No reputable trainer in their right mind would even consider doing bite work with a fear aggressive dog. Protection training does not instill confidence in a dog like that, it reinforces their fear as LucyDog said. You are asking for trouble and a lawsuit. She is not "pretending" to be aggressive. She cannot determine what is a real threat and what is not, because she is extremely insecure. Rewarding her for that behavior only tells her that EVERYONE is a threat.

This person you are seeing is not a good trainer. At all. Find a new one, ASAP. If you want to get into protection work, find a REPUTABLE protection trainer. When they tell you your dog is not suitable for that training, they will be able to help you with what to look for in a future dog. Then, work with your dog on the fear aggression and building confidence the RIGHT way, so that she may live a normal life without constant management and liability on your part...because right now, she's an accident waiting to happen and that's without any real bite training.

**gagsd** · 03-22-2013, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoveEcho

No reputable trainer in their right mind would even consider doing bite work with a fear aggressive dog.

Just an aside.... I have seen a very well known trainer who competes internationally working a dog as described by the OP in bitework.

Freddy · 03-22-2013, 09:47 AM

I would bet that well known trainer is not putting that dog in a situation where it is charging people on the street. He/she is probably working on building confidence and a foundation to see if they have something to work with or not. The OP's dog is not showing the characteristics that I would want if I were going to start bitework.

**gagsd** · 03-22-2013, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy

The OP's dog is not showing the characteristics that I would want if I were going to start bitework.

Nor I.
But blanket statements based on an interpretation of short internet posts should, imo, be challenged.

Freddy · 03-22-2013, 10:00 AM

Agreed. Just my opinion. Could be a stage of development. My male was very sharp at that point, and was kenneled whenever we had guests. He's now still protective but very social and wonderful and affectionate in the house, even with guests. Great in bitework too.

qbchottu · 03-22-2013, 10:03 AM

I wouldn't do bitework with this dog - (from what you say) doesn't have the nerve or temperament for it. Focus on obedience, tracking, socialization, management

03-22-2013, 01:41 AM	#1 (permalink)
Aralango Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Utah Posts: 33	when to start biting training? My GSD is 10 months old. And the trainer said, she don't want to bite (in her biting protection training). Is it because she still a puppy? or her personality? I'm worry that she will never be a protective dog. What I know about her: Super submissive! Fear aggression. *Barking a lot at strangers. She likes to be (or pretend) to be aggressive at strangers, by barking strongly non-stop, or heading to them like she wanna attack them. But when the person didn't care and keep heading to her, she get scare and go back "retreating". __________________ Ameera - GSD - 05/19/2012

03-22-2013, 02:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
Aralango Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Utah Posts: 33	That what was the trainer doing, trying to give her the confidence by barking at an intruder, and then the intruder will run away (because she was barking) and petting her. So, in barking she is good, but in biting no. __________________ Ameera - GSD - 05/19/2012

03-22-2013, 02:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
Lucy Dog Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 6,017	If I were to train a dog to bite or in protection, I'd want the dog to have the right stuff upstairs. Strong nerves, high thresholds, confidence, a clear mind. Any dog with poor nerves can bark. It's the ones that can think before reacting that are the ones that are right for real protection training IMO. Training a dog that is already fearful of people and with a not so great nerve base is just asking for trouble and a possible lawsuit. You're reinforcing her fear. She barks and you're telling her good girl. Do you really think she's going to be able to tell if the person she's barking at means harm to you? If this were my dog, I'd ditch the protection training all together. Who is this trainer and what credentials does he have in this kind of training? At this point, she's still young and probably can be worked with. You want to teach her that people are good. You should want her to ignore and not react to everyone and everything. Build a bond with your dog. Let her feel like you're the one doing the protecting... not the other way around. Do you really want a dog who thinks it's actually a good thing to bark at every single person and strange thing she sees out in public? This is what I mean by building her confidence. Last edited by Lucy Dog; 03-22-2013 at 02:24 AM.

03-22-2013, 01:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
Lucy Dog Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 6,017	Do you really think it's a good idea to attempt to bite train a dog with all those issues? You really should just be working on her confidence instead of trying to make her more aggressive or a possible weapon.

03-22-2013, 08:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
LoveEcho Knighted Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 2,386	No reputable trainer in their right mind would even consider doing bite work with a fear aggressive dog. Protection training does not instill confidence in a dog like that, it reinforces their fear as LucyDog said. You are asking for trouble and a lawsuit. She is not "pretending" to be aggressive. She cannot determine what is a real threat and what is not, because she is extremely insecure. Rewarding her for that behavior only tells her that EVERYONE is a threat. This person you are seeing is not a good trainer. At all. Find a new one, ASAP. If you want to get into protection work, find a REPUTABLE protection trainer. When they tell you your dog is not suitable for that training, they will be able to help you with what to look for in a future dog. Then, work with your dog on the fear aggression and building confidence the RIGHT way, so that she may live a normal life without constant management and liability on your part...because right now, she's an accident waiting to happen and that's without any real bite training.

03-22-2013, 09:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
Freddy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: KC, MO Posts: 431	I would bet that well known trainer is not putting that dog in a situation where it is charging people on the street. He/she is probably working on building confidence and a foundation to see if they have something to work with or not. The OP's dog is not showing the characteristics that I would want if I were going to start bitework.

03-22-2013, 10:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
Freddy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: KC, MO Posts: 431	Agreed. Just my opinion. Could be a stage of development. My male was very sharp at that point, and was kenneled whenever we had guests. He's now still protective but very social and wonderful and affectionate in the house, even with guests. Great in bitework too.

03-22-2013, 10:03 AM	#10 (permalink)
qbchottu Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,788	I wouldn't do bitework with this dog - (from what you say) doesn't have the nerve or temperament for it. Focus on obedience, tracking, socialization, management

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