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Old 02-07-2013, 09:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Interesting article I just came across. What are your thoughts? It claims psychologists and animal behaviorists threw the concept of drives out the window 40 years ago... anyone in those fields able to explain how they "deal with" the discussion of behavior if now through the construct of "drives".

http://www.animalbehaviorassociates....e_troubles.pdf

Keep in mind, these are not *my* statements or beliefs, I'm remaining a neutral party, so spare any "you don't know nothing kid" replies lol.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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They should have linked the studies they were writing about...it is just another opinion otherwise.

"Drive traits are often used to make predictions about the later behavior of dogs.
Some puppy tests and adult temperament tests are used to identify certain drive traits and
then to predict the abilities and future performance of the dogs. None of these tests has
ever been shown to identify these traits and to predict future behavior. In fact, at least
two studies have found that puppy tests do not predict later behavior of adult dogs"
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I think there are underlying instincts of different strengths. Through learning (or in case of dogs, training) some of these might be suppressed and others promoted, different instincts to different extent. I always use and understand the word drive as a loose definition of this set of characteristics, or a subset of them. Having all these concepts (e.g. the concept of instincts) I don't think that there should be a distinct definition to which the word drive refers and I don't think that anyone would question the existence of instincts. Therefore the problem is logically non-existent for me.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:51 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I hate papers that say "some studies show" or "tests show" without siting the study or test. However, I agree with this author. I used to think there was something to the puppy test theories, but I've seen way too many of those tests turn out completely backward. I think temperament and traits are fluid and can be shaped and changed. That is not to say that selective breeding for certain traits is not effective.

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boy, that was a poorly written piece .
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Carmen, I agree.
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I think someone who actually knew how to correctly identify drives should have written the piece....I agree with Carmen and Lisa, very poorly written.
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Yet these same folks don't know WHY some dogs like to chase more than others....

http://www.animalbehaviorassociates....aggression.pdf

Why on earth may that be?
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boy, that was a poorly written piece .
That was my first thought! It read like a high school student wrote it!
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Actually, my highschooler who is 17 right now could write something better than that.
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