Not sure about my trainer - Page 2 - German Shepherd Dog Forums

Increase font size: 0, 10, 25, 50%

GermanShepherds.com is the premier German Shepherd Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-02-2013, 11:58 AM   #11 (permalink)
Knighted Member
 
qbchottu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,013
Default

Outdated and antiquated techniques. This person needs to get with the times and learn the newer techniques before resorting to the yank/crank and alpha roll techniques that people used before they knew better. If a trainer or anyone makes you feel uncomfortable to this point, you need to find someone else that can make this a positive and rewarding experience for both the dog AND you. This is supposed to be fun, rewarding, and exciting process...not a painful or scary experience for either of you.
qbchottu is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 01-02-2013, 12:13 PM   #12 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
RowdyDogs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 458
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jax08 View Post
Holy crap...RUN!

Explain to this new trainer what you were doing, what this "master" trainer was doing and the results. You don't need to give out names but I would explain exactly what this so called trainer was doing with your dog because they will need to know so they can fix it.
I agree with this as well. You don't need to mention any names if it makes you uncomfortable (honestly they'll probably know who you're talking about anyway), but your new trainer needs to know what they're dealing with. They may need to adjust their goals and approach based on what this current trainer has taught your dog.
__________________
The rowdy dogs:
Hector-2 y/o GSD (mix?) rescue
Scooter-12 y/o ACD/Border Collie mix
Bandit-8 y/o ACD
Wooby-14 y/o ACD
Abutiu "Abi"-ACD puppy and hopeful future SAR dog!
RowdyDogs is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-02-2013, 04:25 PM   #13 (permalink)
Master Member
 
Nickyb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 817
Default

Run... once you've worked with a good trainer, your stress levels go way down. What area do you live in, perhaps we can suggest a much better trainer for you. Training your dog should be a positive experience and you should leave happy, not in tears.... unless there tears of joy!
__________________
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nickyb210/

Zoey- Adopted Belgian Malinois on 4/29/12
Princess- WGSD 3/15/01-9/21/11 Forever would've been to short...
Nickyb is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-02-2013, 04:41 PM   #14 (permalink)
Master Member
 
frillint1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 799
Default

I am not experienced or anything, but I would most certainly run! Training is supposed to be fun for you and your dog it also needs to end positive as I was recently told, because my adopted dog is fearful to training because of an abusive home. Let us know your location I'm sure there are many people here that can help you find a trainer who uses positive reinforcement.
__________________
R.I.P- Smokey my GSD/Husky. You are my hero, my heart, my soul and you will forever remain in my heart. You were a true companion. I love You and miss You so much. Run like the wind!!

Chief-GSD
frillint1 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-02-2013, 04:52 PM   #15 (permalink)
Knighted Member
 
Gretchen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: California's Central Coast
Posts: 2,836
Default

Sounds like she's trying to break all the personality out of your dog. Really at the pinning down wrestling move, I would have been out of there. I know when you were watching this you were probably too stunned to think it out, but now that you can reflect on it, go with your gut.

We trained with prong collars, at the time it was what we needed, but our trainer never did a "pop" so hard that the dog yelped. If you like the place but not this trainer, you need to let the trainers know your limits on what you will let them do with your dog and be firm.

Will your dog trust you? Watch your dog's reaction when you bring it back, does he show fear or signs of stress? Or is he having fun? What is your goal? When we go to training, for me there must be some level of fun. Others may not care about that.
Gretchen is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-02-2013, 05:19 PM   #16 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
RowdyDogs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 458
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gretchen View Post
Sounds like she's trying to break all the personality out of your dog. Really at the pinning down wrestling move, I would have been out of there. I know when you were watching this you were probably too stunned to think it out, but now that you can reflect on it, go with your gut.
Totally agree with Gretchen, and I want to add a personal anecdote because from your post, OP, I suspect you are already beating yourself up.

I've been in your shoes, literally. A few times, I'm sorry to admit. But the thing is...you do your research, you place your trust in someone, you don't know that much about the subject, you pay good money...they do something you're uncomfortable with, but are you just being stupid? Maybe you're one of those dreaded "pet parents" that treats an animal like a human? Maybe this is how everyone does it, how it needs to be done? Maybe if you stop things, your dog is going to morph into an unruly monster? You don't know. Except most people will recognize abuse, and it sounds like you have. It's just hard to label it as such, since most of us have a tendency to minimize stuff like that.

I'm a professional horse trainer and always had the goal of becoming one, and as a teenager I did several things I regret hugely because successful trainers told me to (nothing illegal or obviously abusive, but cruel nonetheless IMO, and I knew it was wrong at the time). I've also done the same with a dog once, on a smaller scale.

Now, 20+ years later, as a professional horse trainer and an experienced dog handler, I'm pretty immune to that kind of pressure. But most people aren't--the whole point of hiring a trainer is that you place your confidence in them, because you don't have the knowledge to train your dog on your own. It's really hard to stop things in the moment, especially because most trainers are also good salesmen and have forceful personalities.

No reason to let it continue, though. Don't feel bad for not stopping it in the moment, but do your best to prevent it from happening in the future!
__________________
The rowdy dogs:
Hector-2 y/o GSD (mix?) rescue
Scooter-12 y/o ACD/Border Collie mix
Bandit-8 y/o ACD
Wooby-14 y/o ACD
Abutiu "Abi"-ACD puppy and hopeful future SAR dog!
RowdyDogs is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-02-2013, 10:41 PM   #17 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 74
Default

Thanks everybody! Well I feel better knowing I wasn't stupid for thinking "big dog" training shouldn't be this barbaric nightmare but I feel worse knowing I was right, I should've done more to stop it, Shadow didn't deserve it.

The "MT" studied training at PCCI in NJ. I hadn't heard of it but one of the references was Shadow's breeder and I watched one of her sessions before I brought him home. I spoke to her today and she said she needs the control so she can pass it to me. I'm his biggest distraction and so she broke my command so she can teach him to ignore every distraction. Her "big" clients are people who dont see their dogs for weeks, just hire people to care for them and most of her clients arent there while she works. That's not me.

The hold she did, she calls it "putting him in an arc" where she straddled him and pinned his head down. I didn't notice her flipping him over but one of her clients was restraining me because before I started all the crying I was going to jump in between them. I had no words and this was right before the holidays so it's been **** calling other places while they were probably out for winter break.

I'm currently in Puerto Rico, so I'm not sure you guys know anyone here but it's a small world. Tomorrow I'm meeting a trainer from Highland Canine Training school at North Carolina and on Friday I'm meeting some guys from Tom Rose. A 3rd option is another trainer from Tom Rose with a business in Missouri (Controlled Chaos) but he does training via Skype.

I hope one of these guys can help mend whatever damage has been done. Shadow wags his tail when I talk to him, I still get the slobbery kisses, his breathing is relaxed and he howls at me when I leave and when I come back. So I hope it's not all lost.
Phoebes is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-02-2013, 10:54 PM   #18 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
selzer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Denmark, Ohio
Posts: 24,886
Default

I don't know how old your pup is. I would not let this person or her cronies anywhere near your dog again.

I think that depending on the age of your puppy/dog, I would totally take a complete break from training. For a youngster 6 months or less, I would take 1-2 weeks off. 6-12 months 2-6 weeks off, and over 12 months old, I would probably take 2-3 months off.

I would just enjoy the dog during this time. Minimum stuff, take him on walks, or have him sit while you put the leash on him. Nothing major.

Then I would start all over again with treats and praise and basic commands. I would spend the waiting time, to find someone else to train with and explain that you had a bad experience with a trainer and you would like to sit in a class without your dog to see what methods the trainer uses.

After the break, take the dog to classes, keep training light and fun, and quit when your dog still wants more.

There is plenty of time to fine tune it later.

I think if people tried to stop me from getting to my dog, people would be getting decked.
__________________
Jenna, RN CGC & Babs, CD RA CGC HIC
Heidi, RA CGC
SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD
Ninja, RN CGC & Milla, RN CGC
Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC
Dolly CGC & Bear CGC
Gretta
Hepzibah & Hannah
selzer is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-02-2013, 11:15 PM   #19 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 74
Default

Thanks Seltzer, he is 8 months old. Yup a break it'll be cuz I need to be triple sure about who we'll be working with next.
Phoebes is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 01-02-2013, 11:47 PM   #20 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 74
Default

And thanks RowdyDogs expressed my sentiments exactly. Shadow is my first GSD, my first big breed dog. Previously I had Pomeranians and a Maltese that came pre-trained. I taught them all basic obedience but it was..easy. I was warned that training a "big dog" is supposed to be rough or the dog won't respect you. I was told of methods that make my awful training session seem heavenly by comparison and that I was being too nervous. So I had these 2nd doubts that maybe I am being an overprotective first time mommy. I feel pretty vindicated right now..
Phoebes is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the German Shepherd Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:50 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
PetGuide.com
Basset.net DobermanTalk.com GoldenRetrieverForum.com OurBeagleWorld.com
BoxerForums.com DogForums.com GoPitbull.com PoodleForum.com
BulldogBreeds.com FishForums.com HavaneseForum.com SpoiledMaltese.com
CatForum.com GermanShepherds.com Labradoodle-dogs.net YorkieForum.com
Chihuahua-People.com RetrieverBreeds.com