How NOT to train your dog

Dainerra · 09-24-2011, 12:43 PM

How not to train a dog - Alpha Roll by K9-1.com - YouTube

the "alpha roll"

How not to train your dog - House Breaking by K9-1.com - YouTube

house training

Lucy Dog · 09-24-2011, 01:09 PM

How is a dog supposed to know who's boss if youre not holding him down until he squeels?! Some people are so clueless!

Dainerra · 09-24-2011, 01:27 PM

That's why I like the first video. Kind of shows the dog not understanding what you are talking about, with the added bonus of showing the "trainer" as looking like a giant tool.

I think I'll post that video whenever someone asks about the alpha roll

Sometimes it takes a completely over the top dramatization to show people whats the look like

cowgirlup_22 · 09-24-2011, 06:50 PM

I'm sorry if this sounds stupid but what is the alpha roll? Is it referring to how someone puts their dog into a submissive position or does it mean alpha "role"?

Lucy Dog · 09-24-2011, 07:01 PM

It's forcefully putting the dog in a submission position to gain the dogs respect. You (or anyone) is better off not even knowing the idea exists.

codmaster · 09-25-2011, 01:40 AM

But sometimes, in the right hands (pro who knows what they are doing) it actually does work to put a stop to unwanted behavior. In my case with my dog (3.5 yo male GSD) he was very very aggressive with another male GSD in our Saturday get together (and so we thought that the other was with him also).

We brought them together first on leash then off and loose (both securely muzzled of course).

cliffson1 · 09-25-2011, 08:26 AM

All methods and techniques of behavoir modication will work with the "right" dog, and all methods and techniques will be unsuccessful with the "wrong" dog. Now if you are not savy enough to recognize if you have the right dog, then you probably shouldn't be doing the more aversive techniques...JMO.

Dainerra · 09-25-2011, 01:20 PM

try that more aversive methods have their place. Even an alpha roll, in some situations, can be successful - as long as the person doing it is prepared for the consequences if the dog decides not to submit. But it's a matter of the right technique at the right time

In the context used in the video (and how must advocates say to use the alpha roll) it's like using a sledgehammer to hang a picture. You'll get the nail in the wall, but you might knock a hole in the drywall in the process.
I've seen a lot of people encourage that you should alpha roll a dog several times a day from puppyhood to ensure that it doesn't get "dominant" ideas. Or if the dog has an accident in the house - he's being dominant, you need to alpha roll. Or if the dog isn't responding fast enough in training, then alpha roll him.

I won't even touch the idea of rubbing a dog's face in poop to teach him not to soil in the house

Caledon · 09-28-2011, 03:31 PM

These clips should be shown on the first night of a beginners dog training class.

prophecy · 10-01-2011, 07:42 PM

I can't help but chuckle at the videos.So messed up.....My dogs were looking at me like WTF when playing the video,and then my youngest sat with the ''sitzen''(I think she was hoping if she sat-he'd shut up! lol)

09-24-2011, 01:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lucy Dog Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,180	How is a dog supposed to know who's boss if youre not holding him down until he squeels?! Some people are so clueless! __________________ Paul

09-24-2011, 06:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
cowgirlup_22 Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 165	I'm sorry if this sounds stupid but what is the alpha roll? Is it referring to how someone puts their dog into a submissive position or does it mean alpha "role"? __________________ ~Brianna~ Proud mom to: ♥Kenai-3yr old male saddle pattern sable GSD♥ ♥Kiva-9month old female black&tan GSD♥

09-24-2011, 07:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
Lucy Dog Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,180	It's forcefully putting the dog in a submission position to gain the dogs respect. You (or anyone) is better off not even knowing the idea exists. __________________ Paul

10-01-2011, 07:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
prophecy Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: pa,usa Posts: 121	I can't help but chuckle at the videos.So messed up.....My dogs were looking at me like WTF when playing the video,and then my youngest sat with the ''sitzen''(I think she was hoping if she sat-he'd shut up! lol) __________________ ************************************* ~~

09-24-2011, 01:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
Dainerra Crowned Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: N. Central Arkansas Posts: 4,572	That's why I like the first video. Kind of shows the dog not understanding what you are talking about, with the added bonus of showing the "trainer" as looking like a giant tool. I think I'll post that video whenever someone asks about the alpha roll Sometimes it takes a completely over the top dramatization to show people whats the look like

09-25-2011, 01:40 AM	#6 (permalink)
codmaster Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: California, US Posts: 4,772	But sometimes, in the right hands (pro who knows what they are doing) it actually does work to put a stop to unwanted behavior. In my case with my dog (3.5 yo male GSD) he was very very aggressive with another male GSD in our Saturday get together (and so we thought that the other was with him also). We brought them together first on leash then off and loose (both securely muzzled of course).

09-25-2011, 08:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
cliffson1 Knighted Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,929	All methods and techniques of behavoir modication will work with the "right" dog, and all methods and techniques will be unsuccessful with the "wrong" dog. Now if you are not savy enough to recognize if you have the right dog, then you probably shouldn't be doing the more aversive techniques...JMO.

09-25-2011, 01:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dainerra Crowned Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: N. Central Arkansas Posts: 4,572	try that more aversive methods have their place. Even an alpha roll, in some situations, can be successful - as long as the person doing it is prepared for the consequences if the dog decides not to submit. But it's a matter of the right technique at the right time In the context used in the video (and how must advocates say to use the alpha roll) it's like using a sledgehammer to hang a picture. You'll get the nail in the wall, but you might knock a hole in the drywall in the process. I've seen a lot of people encourage that you should alpha roll a dog several times a day from puppyhood to ensure that it doesn't get "dominant" ideas. Or if the dog has an accident in the house - he's being dominant, you need to alpha roll. Or if the dog isn't responding fast enough in training, then alpha roll him. I won't even touch the idea of rubbing a dog's face in poop to teach him not to soil in the house

09-28-2011, 03:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
Caledon Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Ontario Posts: 1,787	These clips should be shown on the first night of a beginners dog training class.

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