Biting the Muzzle

KSdogowner · 08-06-2011, 07:35 PM

So I got a few dog training books to get ideas on how to help Sophie control her excessive barking and agression toward other dogs and started reading :"If a shake on the scruff of the neck does not work, you may want to BITE the dog's muzzle" Seriously???????

Freestep · 08-06-2011, 07:37 PM

That's a really good way to get yourself bitten!

**JakodaCD OA** · 08-06-2011, 07:39 PM

I agree,,sheesh, take that book off my list of "must haves"

KSdogowner · 08-06-2011, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JakodaCD OA

I agree,,sheesh, take that book off my list of "must haves"

I was just scanning through it when I read that. It actually shows a picture of him biting his dog's muzzle. Definitely not a winner for book. I can't believe some trainers would recommend that.

Freestep · 08-06-2011, 08:32 PM

What book is it?

KSdogowner · 08-06-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Freestep

What book is it?

Dog Talk--Training Your Dog Through a Canine Point of View by John Ross and Barbara McKinney. Here is the picture showing him bite his dog's muzzle.

Honestly, I was shocked to read this but thought maybe this is old school training? Definitely not an approach I want to use with my babies. I hope it's ok for me to post this picture. If not, mods please remove and sorry.

EchoGSD · 08-06-2011, 08:46 PM

I had a student in my CGC Class 2 years ago with a German Short Haired Pointer. I looked over in class after hearing her dog yelp, just in time to see her biting her dog's ear. I called out to her, and she responded with "Well, he bit me first!!".
For some people, there are just no words...

Freestep · 08-06-2011, 08:51 PM

Well, dogs do bite other dogs' muzzles all the time to correct, reprimand, or just remind them of their rank. So I can sort of see the logic, but recommending this in a book to inexperienced pet owners is asking for a lawsuit! When you have a dog that shows aggression toward other dogs and is already worked up, you'll be lucky if biting him doesn't redirect his aggression on you.

KSdogowner · 08-06-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Freestep

Well, dogs do bite other dogs' muzzles all the time to correct, reprimand, or just remind them of their rank. So I can sort of see the logic, but recommending this in a book to inexperienced pet owners is asking for a lawsuit! When you have a dog that shows aggression toward other dogs and is already worked up, you'll be lucky if biting him doesn't redirect his aggression on you.

Yes that's why I was attracted to this book because I want to learn more about the canine point of view. Just didn't think that while it is good to understand that view, it's good to actually act like a canine. Not sure I want to use that approach. I got some other books as well, so I am sure I will find one that seems more reasonable.

08-06-2011, 07:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
KSdogowner Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,313	Biting the Muzzle So I got a few dog training books to get ideas on how to help Sophie control her excessive barking and agression toward other dogs and started reading :"If a shake on the scruff of the neck does not work, you may want to BITE the dog's muzzle" Seriously??????? __________________ Elvi Lexie (Rotti-x), Max (GSD/Husky), Sophie (WGSD) R.I.P. Ozzy (GSD), Sabrie (GSD), Kaiser (GSD), Peaches (Cat) "Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending." - Maria Robinson

08-06-2011, 07:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
Freestep Knighted Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 3,092	That's a really good way to get yourself bitten! __________________ Luka von Sontausen, CD Vinca von Sontausen, CGC Freestep's Beluga Whale, BWD

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08-06-2011, 08:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
Freestep Knighted Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 3,092	What book is it? __________________ Luka von Sontausen, CD Vinca von Sontausen, CGC Freestep's Beluga Whale, BWD

08-06-2011, 08:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
EchoGSD Master Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Warren, MI Posts: 549	I had a student in my CGC Class 2 years ago with a German Short Haired Pointer. I looked over in class after hearing her dog yelp, just in time to see her biting her dog's ear. I called out to her, and she responded with "Well, he bit me first!!". For some people, there are just no words... __________________ -LeeAnn There are two kinds of dogs: Dogs who are German Shepherds, and dogs who WISH they were German Shepherds.... Echo of Someday Vom Royale, CD, RA, CGC, TDI Laughin' Tori Lori, CD, RN, CGC Marcella's Miss Ruby Dee, RN, CGC, TDI

08-06-2011, 08:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
Freestep Knighted Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 3,092	Well, dogs do bite other dogs' muzzles all the time to correct, reprimand, or just remind them of their rank. So I can sort of see the logic, but recommending this in a book to inexperienced pet owners is asking for a lawsuit! When you have a dog that shows aggression toward other dogs and is already worked up, you'll be lucky if biting him doesn't redirect his aggression on you. __________________ Luka von Sontausen, CD Vinca von Sontausen, CGC Freestep's Beluga Whale, BWD

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