Cesar Millan is Yesterday's Dog Trainer (Part 1)

**MaggieRoseLee** · 07-20-2011, 05:11 PM

Comments? (keep it nice)

‪Cesar Millan is Yesterday's Dog Trainer (Part 1)‬&rlm; - YouTube

JPrice · 07-20-2011, 05:17 PM

I'm not a huge Caesar Milan fan, but I thought instead of stressing dominance so much he stresses calm and assertive energy. I'm not sure haven't watched any of this guys videos on youtube either.

W.Oliver · 07-20-2011, 05:18 PM

I am not a Cesar training fan, but I admire his commercial success.

Tbarrios333 · 07-20-2011, 05:23 PM

Totally agree. Dominance theories just don't ring as true to me.
If people can get much better results through positive methods, whats even the point of alpha rolling and forcing them to submit?
I think people that are just getting into dogs seriously are often quicker to believe the alpha/dominance theories than people that have some experience. I say this because you're told for example that you shouldn't let a puppy win at tug because you'll have dominance issues, but people let them win all the time and there's no problem. Another example is the couch/floor issue. My dogs are allowed on the couch and they haven't tried to "dominate" me.
I think confidence is often confused with being a dominant alpha. Obviously, it's easier to follow someone that is sure of what they are doing than someone that is second guessing themselves or fearful all the time.
While you do have to be the "head of your pack," it's not so much that you're the alpha as you're just someone your dogs behave a certain way around. You teach them how to behave with you and that creates a positive relationship; the dog knows whats expected and the human is happy he is not getting mauled.
Imo, dogs know we're not one of them and we just don't completely fit in to their pack structure. If there are multiple dogs in the house, then I can see how they would have the pack mentality between themselves, but I think we're still different in their eyes.
Ceaser's method is just too gung ho. There is no positive reinforcement, only corrections.

wildo · 07-20-2011, 05:23 PM

My thoughts: Who is that guy?

[EDIT]- I don't have cable TV. Here's his bio: http://www.zakgeorge.net/Biography.html

selzer · 07-20-2011, 05:25 PM

I agree with him. If you are bullying your dog you are wrong.

He gives me the impression that he naturally carries himself with confidence when he works with his dogs and his body language and lack of fear around them helps him to naturally fall into a leadership position with his dogs. Leaders are not all bullies, they train, they work with, they have expectations, they reward desirable behavior.

I am not a Ceasar fan, though I have read his book. I think there is more to him than alpha rolls and bullying, dominance, and calm assertive leader/calm submissive dog, both positive and negative that we never see. Perhaps we just work with very different dogs.

But then the only things two trainers ever agree on, is what the third is doing wrong.

wildo · 07-20-2011, 05:30 PM

Sounds like this guy is a dog trainer. Cesar is a red zone dog behaviorist. Huge difference. Does this guy train the same kind of dogs that Cesar works with? I don't know cause I've never heard of him. What I gather from his bio is that he is just a trainer.

**MaggieRoseLee** · 07-20-2011, 05:33 PM

Try to watch the video and THEN comment. Don't just say what you know about Cesar...

‪Why Cesar Millan is Yesterday's Dog Trainer‬&rlm; - YouTube

Here's part 2

Stevenzachsmom · 07-20-2011, 05:45 PM

MRL, I don't know what type of responses you are looking for I did watch the videos. I agree with Willy, Cesar is NOT a trainer. Cesar himself says that he "rehabilitates dogs". I don't know anything at all about this "new" guy, but it appears he is a trainer, so to compare him and Cesar is like apples and oranges.

wildo · 07-20-2011, 05:48 PM

Ok, I watched the whole second video. I think this guy has a lot of good points, no question, but I still feel it's an apples/oranges comparison. CM, is not a dog trainer. This guy is. In fact, he states in the second video:

"I'm here to offer an alternative to the rest of the world who 1) doesn't have an aggressive dog, as this isn't very common anyway..."

That's all well and good, but Cesar is working with the dogs that are aggressive. I just don't see the similarities.

07-20-2011, 05:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
JPrice Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 100	I'm not a huge Caesar Milan fan, but I thought instead of stressing dominance so much he stresses calm and assertive energy. I'm not sure haven't watched any of this guys videos on youtube either. __________________ -Jordan- SBD Posejpal's Mona

07-20-2011, 05:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
W.Oliver Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Farmington Hills, Michigan Posts: 1,436	I am not a Cesar training fan, but I admire his commercial success. __________________ India vom Wildhaus CGC Dayna von Royale BH FO CGC Therapy Dogs, Inc. Liberty Working Dog Club

07-20-2011, 05:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tbarrios333 Knighted Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ft. Myers, FL Posts: 2,549	Totally agree. Dominance theories just don't ring as true to me. If people can get much better results through positive methods, whats even the point of alpha rolling and forcing them to submit? I think people that are just getting into dogs seriously are often quicker to believe the alpha/dominance theories than people that have some experience. I say this because you're told for example that you shouldn't let a puppy win at tug because you'll have dominance issues, but people let them win all the time and there's no problem. Another example is the couch/floor issue. My dogs are allowed on the couch and they haven't tried to "dominate" me. I think confidence is often confused with being a dominant alpha. Obviously, it's easier to follow someone that is sure of what they are doing than someone that is second guessing themselves or fearful all the time. While you do have to be the "head of your pack," it's not so much that you're the alpha as you're just someone your dogs behave a certain way around. You teach them how to behave with you and that creates a positive relationship; the dog knows whats expected and the human is happy he is not getting mauled. Imo, dogs know we're not one of them and we just don't completely fit in to their pack structure. If there are multiple dogs in the house, then I can see how they would have the pack mentality between themselves, but I think we're still different in their eyes. Ceaser's method is just too gung ho. There is no positive reinforcement, only corrections. __________________ Owned by Nini and McKinley. Last edited by Tbarrios333; 07-20-2011 at 05:27 PM.

07-20-2011, 05:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
wildo Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,230	My thoughts: Who is that guy? [EDIT]- I don't have cable TV. Here's his bio: http://www.zakgeorge.net/Biography.html __________________ Willy Pimg - DOB: 2/06, CL1-R, CL1-S, CL1-F, CGC Last edited by wildo; 07-20-2011 at 05:25 PM.

07-20-2011, 05:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 17,499	I agree with him. If you are bullying your dog you are wrong. He gives me the impression that he naturally carries himself with confidence when he works with his dogs and his body language and lack of fear around them helps him to naturally fall into a leadership position with his dogs. Leaders are not all bullies, they train, they work with, they have expectations, they reward desirable behavior. I am not a Ceasar fan, though I have read his book. I think there is more to him than alpha rolls and bullying, dominance, and calm assertive leader/calm submissive dog, both positive and negative that we never see. Perhaps we just work with very different dogs. But then the only things two trainers ever agree on, is what the third is doing wrong. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

07-20-2011, 05:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
wildo Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,230	Sounds like this guy is a dog trainer. Cesar is a red zone dog behaviorist. Huge difference. Does this guy train the same kind of dogs that Cesar works with? I don't know cause I've never heard of him. What I gather from his bio is that he is just a trainer. __________________ Willy Pimg - DOB: 2/06, CL1-R, CL1-S, CL1-F, CGC

07-20-2011, 05:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
Stevenzachsmom Knighted Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,494	MRL, I don't know what type of responses you are looking for I did watch the videos. I agree with Willy, Cesar is NOT a trainer. Cesar himself says that he "rehabilitates dogs". I don't know anything at all about this "new" guy, but it appears he is a trainer, so to compare him and Cesar is like apples and oranges.

07-20-2011, 05:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
wildo Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,230	Ok, I watched the whole second video. I think this guy has a lot of good points, no question, but I still feel it's an apples/oranges comparison. CM, is not a dog trainer. This guy is. In fact, he states in the second video: "I'm here to offer an alternative to the rest of the world who 1) doesn't have an aggressive dog, as this isn't very common anyway..." That's all well and good, but Cesar is working with the dogs that are aggressive. I just don't see the similarities. __________________ Willy Pimg - DOB: 2/06, CL1-R, CL1-S, CL1-F, CGC

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