Cesar Millan and Victoria Stilwell

CyberRain · 07-04-2011, 05:31 AM

Hi, guys i have been watching these reality show episodes of Cesar Millan - (Dog whisperer) and Victoria Stilwell - (Me or the Dog)

I see that both the trainers has their different ways of training the dogs, and they all seem to work. However before the show Dog Whisperer they show this ad "do not attempt the techniques you are about to see without consulting a professional". i dont understand if they works with them why it wouldn't for us?

Is it okay if i start training my puppy from the begining the way they teach how to train dogs?
what are your opinions guys?!

Konotashi · 07-04-2011, 06:00 AM

Victoria usually deals with average cases. You can use her training methods because they're pretty hard to screw up.

Cesar Millan typically deals with 'worst case scenarios,' and if you screw up his training methods, you can really screw up your dog. You have to know what you're doing if you want to use his methods (efficiently).

fuzzybunny · 07-04-2011, 06:37 AM

I haven't seen Victoria's show, but I do watch Cesar and he deals with a lot of dog aggression issues. The disclaimer is their way of not getting sued. Imagine this scenario: A person with no dog training knowledge watches Cesar's show and suddenly thinks they are an expert. They approach an aggressive dog using "Cesar's techniques" and get mauled. They decide to sue Cesar because his technique didn't work. This would definitely happen without the disclaimer.

EchoGSD · 07-04-2011, 09:30 AM

Cesar Milan does not work with "average" dogs, or "troubled" dogs. He works with severly damaged dogs. Dogs with severe phobias, intense obessions, and red-zone type aggression. These dogs require different handling methods than most dogs. Trying to do what Cesar does without knowing what you are doing could get someone, including yourself, badly bitten. And, you could further damage the dog in the process. His methods are, for the most part, more intense than an undisturbed dog would need for everyday training (although solid leadership and consistency in training is always good). Victoria does all 100% positive reinforcement training (from what I've seen) -- everything is treat based. I've never seen her show anyone how to wean a dog off of the treat reward premise, but then I don't watch her very often. Most of the dogs she works with haven't reached the point that Cesar's dogs get to, although without intervention like Victoria does they could easily get there. The difference in my mind is like comparing "John & Kate plus 8" raising their challenging family situation with "World's Strictests Parents" where foster-type families take in deeply troubled teenagers and attempt to help them.

AgileGSD · 07-04-2011, 09:31 AM

Cesar Milan is extremely confrontational and well...aggressive towards dogs he works with. Attempting that at home could very well get you bitten Or youcould end up injuring the dog. I would not suggest you start off training a puppy using such confrontational methods, it will not led to a good relationahip between you and your dog.

Chrissy_GSD · 07-04-2011, 09:50 AM

I agree with what people have previously said. Also, Victoria's show is almost like training dogs for dummies. You can tell from the cases on the show that she deals with minor behavioural issues that have resulted on the part of the owner, usually in laziness in keeping the dog in line.
I like the techniques that Ed Frawley of Leerburg Kennels uses. Leerburg videos are available on youtube

onyx'girl · 07-04-2011, 09:53 AM

Those shows are also edited to NOT show what may be going on behind the scenes.

If you want to train your pup without going to a group type situation look at Michael Ellis's video clips. Scroll down for the free clips:
Leerburg On Demand | The Best Source of Free Dog Training Videos On the Web
This site is great for renting videos, too:
BowWowFlix.com: Dog DVD Rentals | Dog Training Dvd | Dog Dvds | Rent Dog Videos
I would still go with group lessons with a good training club to start, especially if you haven't trained a pup before.

clearcreekranch · 07-04-2011, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onyx'girl

Those shows are also edited to NOT show what may be going on behind the scenes.

If you want to train your pup without going to a group type situation look at Michael Ellis's video clips. Scroll down for the free clips:
Leerburg On Demand | The Best Source of Free Dog Training Videos On the Web
This site is great for renting videos, too:
BowWowFlix.com: Dog DVD Rentals | Dog Training Dvd | Dog Dvds | Rent Dog Videos
I would still go with group lessons with a good training club to start, especially if you haven't trained a pup before.

Gets my vote.

MicheleMarie · 07-04-2011, 12:27 PM

i LOVE cesar milan. but he is special at what he does and it's a show on TV-it's meant to watch not do. I've read all his books-he's so amazing!

i like victoria too-she does basic obedience.

but i love the videos on leerburg too.

**Cassidy's Mom** · 07-04-2011, 01:05 PM

Lots of previous discussions on Cesar and Victoria that you can read on these threads:

ceaser and victoria stillwell O.o

How much influence do dog shows have on you?

Reflections on Cesar Milan

Dog Whisperer or Victoria Stillwell?

Me or the Dog, Victoria Stilwell thoughts

cesar millan

Cesar Milan

Cesar Millan

"It's me or the dog"

07-04-2011, 05:31 AM	#1 (permalink)
CyberRain New Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9	Cesar Millan and Victoria Stilwell Hi, guys i have been watching these reality show episodes of Cesar Millan - (Dog whisperer) and Victoria Stilwell - (Me or the Dog) I see that both the trainers has their different ways of training the dogs, and they all seem to work. However before the show Dog Whisperer they show this ad "do not attempt the techniques you are about to see without consulting a professional". i dont understand if they works with them why it wouldn't for us? Is it okay if i start training my puppy from the begining the way they teach how to train dogs? what are your opinions guys?!

07-04-2011, 06:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
Konotashi Knighted Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,380	Victoria usually deals with average cases. You can use her training methods because they're pretty hard to screw up. Cesar Millan typically deals with 'worst case scenarios,' and if you screw up his training methods, you can really screw up your dog. You have to know what you're doing if you want to use his methods (efficiently). __________________ Ozzy - Chocolate Pom "In a perfect world, every dog would have a home and every home would have a dog." My Photography

07-04-2011, 06:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
fuzzybunny Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Ottawa Posts: 1,824	I haven't seen Victoria's show, but I do watch Cesar and he deals with a lot of dog aggression issues. The disclaimer is their way of not getting sued. Imagine this scenario: A person with no dog training knowledge watches Cesar's show and suddenly thinks they are an expert. They approach an aggressive dog using "Cesar's techniques" and get mauled. They decide to sue Cesar because his technique didn't work. This would definitely happen without the disclaimer. __________________ Carolyn Jazz, Shiloh Shepherd, 2.5 years old, CGC HIC Bunny, GSD X, 5.5 years old

07-04-2011, 09:30 AM	#4 (permalink)
EchoGSD Master Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Warren, MI Posts: 549	Cesar Milan does not work with "average" dogs, or "troubled" dogs. He works with severly damaged dogs. Dogs with severe phobias, intense obessions, and red-zone type aggression. These dogs require different handling methods than most dogs. Trying to do what Cesar does without knowing what you are doing could get someone, including yourself, badly bitten. And, you could further damage the dog in the process. His methods are, for the most part, more intense than an undisturbed dog would need for everyday training (although solid leadership and consistency in training is always good). Victoria does all 100% positive reinforcement training (from what I've seen) -- everything is treat based. I've never seen her show anyone how to wean a dog off of the treat reward premise, but then I don't watch her very often. Most of the dogs she works with haven't reached the point that Cesar's dogs get to, although without intervention like Victoria does they could easily get there. The difference in my mind is like comparing "John & Kate plus 8" raising their challenging family situation with "World's Strictests Parents" where foster-type families take in deeply troubled teenagers and attempt to help them. __________________ -LeeAnn There are two kinds of dogs: Dogs who are German Shepherds, and dogs who WISH they were German Shepherds.... Echo of Someday Vom Royale, CD, RA, CGC, TDI Laughin' Tori Lori, CD, RN, CGC Marcella's Miss Ruby Dee, RN, CGC, TDI

07-04-2011, 09:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
Chrissy_GSD Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 67	I agree with what people have previously said. Also, Victoria's show is almost like training dogs for dummies. You can tell from the cases on the show that she deals with minor behavioural issues that have resulted on the part of the owner, usually in laziness in keeping the dog in line. I like the techniques that Ed Frawley of Leerburg Kennels uses. Leerburg videos are available on youtube __________________ His name is not wild dog anymore, but the first friend, because he will be our friend for always and always and always ~ Rudyard Kipling Proud owner of Zahra of Khanique Kennels

07-04-2011, 09:31 AM	#5 (permalink)
AgileGSD Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,645	Cesar Milan is extremely confrontational and well...aggressive towards dogs he works with. Attempting that at home could very well get you bitten Or youcould end up injuring the dog. I would not suggest you start off training a puppy using such confrontational methods, it will not led to a good relationahip between you and your dog.

07-04-2011, 09:53 AM	#7 (permalink)
onyx'girl Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: SW, MI Posts: 17,611	Those shows are also edited to NOT show what may be going on behind the scenes. If you want to train your pup without going to a group type situation look at Michael Ellis's video clips. Scroll down for the free clips: Leerburg On Demand \| The Best Source of Free Dog Training Videos On the Web This site is great for renting videos, too: BowWowFlix.com: Dog DVD Rentals \| Dog Training Dvd \| Dog Dvds \| Rent Dog Videos I would still go with group lessons with a good training club to start, especially if you haven't trained a pup before. __________________ Jane~ Kept by Onyx, Kacie and Gideon v Wildhaus aka Karlo

07-04-2011, 12:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
MicheleMarie Master Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Denver ish Posts: 638	i LOVE cesar milan. but he is special at what he does and it's a show on TV-it's meant to watch not do. I've read all his books-he's so amazing! i like victoria too-she does basic obedience. but i love the videos on leerburg too. __________________ Samson Vom Gieske GSD 12/2010 Snickers-GSD Mix Rescue 06/2004 ::MILLIONS AGAINST MONSANTO::

07-04-2011, 01:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
Cassidy's Mom No Stinkin' Leashes Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 24,959	Lots of previous discussions on Cesar and Victoria that you can read on these threads: ceaser and victoria stillwell O.o How much influence do dog shows have on you? Reflections on Cesar Milan Dog Whisperer or Victoria Stillwell? Me or the Dog, Victoria Stilwell thoughts cesar millan Cesar Milan Cesar Millan "It's me or the dog" __________________ -Debbie- Dena 9/12/04-10/4/08 Forever would have been too short Keefer 8/25/05 Halo 11/9/08 Cassidy 6/8/00-10/4/04

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