markers/clickers

pets4life · 06-06-2011, 05:22 PM

had my dog enrolled in ob classes while i thought the place in my city that was local was okay and is the best place in my city id say because of positive methods i was still not as satsified so i did a lot of research and started marker training for a a while on my own using leerburgs book and i am getting his dvd soon

i already notice a huge diff in my dog she will drop down fast she will offer me differant actions for the **** of it for fun like she will come to me and start heeling while i am in the yard cleaning or something or she will come and sit or down in front of me trying to convinnce me to train with her

also i notice that healing is just getting so much better she is constantly looking in my eyes and ignoring distractions while before while heeling she would never pull but still she would loook front or on the ground never at me

training is getting more and more easy

has anyone here ever had a bad experience with markers? it has been so simple and stress free easy to work through problems i still want the dvd though the one leerburg made i have a lot of his dvds

i never had such quick results with any other training method anyone else here try this on their own? clicker is using a clicker sound making thing marker is marking with a word

SchDDR · 06-06-2011, 05:42 PM

Clicker/marker training has gained the popularity it has because people have discovered it works. Many people who compete in dogs sports are adopting the training style.

In the past, it has gotten a bad rap from purists who insist that marker training doesn't involving proofing commands or correcting for willful disobedience of a known command. That's patently false.

The only downside to marker training is that the dog learns to "offer" behaviors to elicit a reward. This is only a downside if you see it that way. Some people do, some don't.

I use a verbal marker in conjunction with other training techniques with my SchH dog, and she has done quite well, and loves to work.

**MaggieRoseLee** · 06-06-2011, 05:48 PM

I love and use clicker/marker training all the time. Think all the smarter trainers who know there is a better way to train many behaviors are adding it to their bag of tricks.

pets4life · 06-06-2011, 08:25 PM

does anyone mark with clicks and words? use clickers and markers ?

**Cassidy's Mom** · 06-06-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pets4life

does anyone mark with clicks and words? use clickers and markers ?

I don't understand the question - can you explain what you mean?

SchDDR · 06-06-2011, 09:29 PM

Does anyone use both, you mean?
Yes, I do.

**MaggieRoseLee** · 06-06-2011, 09:41 PM

I use both. Mainly the clicker with NEW behaviors. It's more precise and clear. Later I may use a verbal marker for a trained behavior cause I don't always have that clicker on my wrist!

Tbarrios333 · 06-06-2011, 10:13 PM

Ever since I started learning about clickers/markers I've loved it way more than any other method.
It really works because the dog knows exactly what it is that it did to earn that reward, whereas before the dogs were probably unsure because maybe we praise too much/too little/using different tones etc.
Of course, there are some down sides. I try to say "Yes!" the same way every time, but it's really hard. Sometimes i'll miss a behavior, click too late and have to work to correct my error LOL. Still, it's fun.
My new puppy has been trained only with clicker/marker training and I do see a remarkable difference in learning speed/enthusiasm.
With my older girl, I use the praise method with no markers. She got bored easier and didn't really understand what I wanted sometimes. Now, it's hard to switch over to clicker because she's so used to being told what behavior to perform that she won't offer behaviors. We're working on it

W.Oliver · 06-06-2011, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pets4life

does anyone mark with clicks and words? use clickers and markers ?

I do...when initially working on a behavior, I use the clicker...then I transition over to verbal.

pets4life · 06-06-2011, 11:46 PM

when u guys messs up make an error like you say yes to quick or you say yes at the sametime you move ur arm to give the treat how do you work to fix it?

all i do is is just forget it happend and move on we always make mistakes both human and dog will never be perfect

Yeah cassidy i meant using both markers and clickers in training and not just one

06-06-2011, 05:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
pets4life Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 465	markers/clickers had my dog enrolled in ob classes while i thought the place in my city that was local was okay and is the best place in my city id say because of positive methods i was still not as satsified so i did a lot of research and started marker training for a a while on my own using leerburgs book and i am getting his dvd soon i already notice a huge diff in my dog she will drop down fast she will offer me differant actions for the **** of it for fun like she will come to me and start heeling while i am in the yard cleaning or something or she will come and sit or down in front of me trying to convinnce me to train with her also i notice that healing is just getting so much better she is constantly looking in my eyes and ignoring distractions while before while heeling she would never pull but still she would loook front or on the ground never at me training is getting more and more easy has anyone here ever had a bad experience with markers? it has been so simple and stress free easy to work through problems i still want the dvd though the one leerburg made i have a lot of his dvds i never had such quick results with any other training method anyone else here try this on their own? clicker is using a clicker sound making thing marker is marking with a word

06-06-2011, 05:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
SchDDR Master Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 512	Clicker/marker training has gained the popularity it has because people have discovered it works. Many people who compete in dogs sports are adopting the training style. In the past, it has gotten a bad rap from purists who insist that marker training doesn't involving proofing commands or correcting for willful disobedience of a known command. That's patently false. The only downside to marker training is that the dog learns to "offer" behaviors to elicit a reward. This is only a downside if you see it that way. Some people do, some don't. I use a verbal marker in conjunction with other training techniques with my SchH dog, and she has done quite well, and loves to work. __________________ Danke von Schraderhaus: HCT, CGC

06-06-2011, 05:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
MaggieRoseLee The Agility Rocks! Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Bushkill, PA (The Poconos!) Posts: 22,215	I love and use clicker/marker training all the time. Think all the smarter trainers who know there is a better way to train many behaviors are adding it to their bag of tricks. __________________ MACH2 Bretta Lee Wildhaus CGC TC TQX Glory B Wildhaus NA, NJ, NF + LOL (still) "*Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde*

06-06-2011, 09:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
SchDDR Master Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 512	Does anyone use both, you mean? Yes, I do. __________________ Danke von Schraderhaus: HCT, CGC

06-06-2011, 09:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
MaggieRoseLee The Agility Rocks! Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Bushkill, PA (The Poconos!) Posts: 22,215	I use both. Mainly the clicker with NEW behaviors. It's more precise and clear. Later I may use a verbal marker for a trained behavior cause I don't always have that clicker on my wrist! __________________ MACH2 Bretta Lee Wildhaus CGC TC TQX Glory B Wildhaus NA, NJ, NF + LOL (still) "*Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde*

06-06-2011, 08:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
pets4life Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 465	does anyone mark with clicks and words? use clickers and markers ?

06-06-2011, 10:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tbarrios333 Knighted Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ft. Myers, FL Posts: 2,549	Ever since I started learning about clickers/markers I've loved it way more than any other method. It really works because the dog knows exactly what it is that it did to earn that reward, whereas before the dogs were probably unsure because maybe we praise too much/too little/using different tones etc. Of course, there are some down sides. I try to say "Yes!" the same way every time, but it's really hard. Sometimes i'll miss a behavior, click too late and have to work to correct my error LOL. Still, it's fun. My new puppy has been trained only with clicker/marker training and I do see a remarkable difference in learning speed/enthusiasm. With my older girl, I use the praise method with no markers. She got bored easier and didn't really understand what I wanted sometimes. Now, it's hard to switch over to clicker because she's so used to being told what behavior to perform that she won't offer behaviors. We're working on it

06-06-2011, 11:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
pets4life Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 465	when u guys messs up make an error like you say yes to quick or you say yes at the sametime you move ur arm to give the treat how do you work to fix it? all i do is is just forget it happend and move on we always make mistakes both human and dog will never be perfect Yeah cassidy i meant using both markers and clickers in training and not just one

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