Open to suggestions

Countrymama · 05-22-2011, 08:08 PM

When I got Ziva she was 11 wks old and my son will soon to be 4. Given that after my last GSD died my son became afraid of dogs I thought it was more important that they bond and see her as a friend. Ziva is 5 months now and has basic house training and a good relationship with my son. She's at the end of her teething stage so I want to begin to work on her obedience. I'm here because she is so drastically different in temperament to my last GSD. (Tessa was very laid back and had a much different drive then Ziva) Ziva is much more headstrong than an GSD we've had before. She's not dangerous but she is stubborn. I used treats and praise with Tessa but Ziva won't take treats. Ziva's parents were both police dogs so she has great tracking drive and has "tunnel vision" at times and the attention span of a nat other times. I'm wondering what you think might work best for her in terms of how to get and keep her attention and get her to understand when an action is unwanted (like air snapping and flea biting)?

jaggirl47 · 05-22-2011, 08:13 PM

Is she toy or ball driven? If she is you can do short training sessions using a ball as her treat.

Stosh · 05-22-2011, 08:30 PM

She may need a whole lot of exercise. The age she is now is pretty challenging and not the way she'll be forever. I would suggest obedience class and maybe rally for the control and something like frisbee for that high activity level she has

Countrymama · 05-22-2011, 08:37 PM

she has a nyla bone chew (since she's teething) that she loves to tear up, a tennis ball she's not too fond of, a kong she doesn't really like and a rope she picks at. She recently found a 6 inch bouncy ball (my sons) that she became addicted to until she popped it. I haven't found anything that she likes well enough to do anything i ask her to do get it. She's a diva.

jaggirl47 · 05-22-2011, 08:40 PM

What lines is she?

Countrymama · 05-22-2011, 08:41 PM

Tonight she became addicted to my son's 6 inch bouncy ball..chasing it around the house and having me chase her to get it. She wore her self out to stumbling but still wanted to play! I had to throw it out since she popped it and at the moment she's tracking through the house to find it and whining. Thinking I should buy her one meant for her.

carmspack · 05-22-2011, 08:42 PM

I guess you could have expected more drive than your laid back Tessa since both parents were police dogs . Was your Ziva presented as a laid back pup in the litter?
I find it a bit unusual for a female to be a police dog and a dam , or at least if so, not in an exclusive in house breeding program where the pups are bred specifically for service.
Would you share the pedigrees please.

Are you saying that she bites at "invisible" flies and midges , or does she air snap as a sass you back when you are firm with her?
Does she have fleas or itches or is the "flea biting" a stress releaving displacement activity.
Maybe start with good strong exercise , crating , bringing her out for concentrated focused work, back to crate to think about it . This gives some framework for attention to you instead of her wandering around finding things to amuse herself with around the house. It's great that she has a strong tracking drive --
Carmen
Carmspack Working German Shepherd Dogs

Countrymama · 05-22-2011, 08:42 PM

She's pure Kirschental

jaggirl47 · 05-22-2011, 08:44 PM

Maybe check out herding classes. I think that line is pretty well known for that. Not positive though.

jillian · 05-22-2011, 08:46 PM

What kind of treats are you using? I would try something super appealing like frozen hotdog bits and never try to train her on a full stomach either. Usually I will do a short training session and play session before breakfast so they are VERY hungry and then when you are done put her away in her crate/kennel or wherever her place is and wait 30 minutes then give her breakfast. Also try using a dish rag or hand towel and play tug with her as a reward she may just love it!

As far as stopping her from doing what you don't want her to do, you need to teach her the word NO and needs to understand no means no! You can accomplish this by leaving a small light line attached to her at all times when she's loose in the house so when she's not listening you can just simply grab the line and let her no that you meant no when you said it. The element of surprise is amazing!

05-22-2011, 08:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
Countrymama Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 118	Open to suggestions When I got Ziva she was 11 wks old and my son will soon to be 4. Given that after my last GSD died my son became afraid of dogs I thought it was more important that they bond and see her as a friend. Ziva is 5 months now and has basic house training and a good relationship with my son. She's at the end of her teething stage so I want to begin to work on her obedience. I'm here because she is so drastically different in temperament to my last GSD. (Tessa was very laid back and had a much different drive then Ziva) Ziva is much more headstrong than an GSD we've had before. She's not dangerous but she is stubborn. I used treats and praise with Tessa but Ziva won't take treats. Ziva's parents were both police dogs so she has great tracking drive and has "tunnel vision" at times and the attention span of a nat other times. I'm wondering what you think might work best for her in terms of how to get and keep her attention and get her to understand when an action is unwanted (like air snapping and flea biting)?

05-22-2011, 08:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
jaggirl47 Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 2,936	Is she toy or ball driven? If she is you can do short training sessions using a ball as her treat. __________________ SBD Posejpal's Leyna, HCTs Coming Soon: SBD Posejpal's Jagermeister...call name Zeus At the rainbow bridge: Zappa 12/27/2000-1/23/2012 You are my heart, my soul, and my best friend. You will be with me always.

05-22-2011, 08:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
jaggirl47 Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 2,936	What lines is she? __________________ SBD Posejpal's Leyna, HCTs Coming Soon: SBD Posejpal's Jagermeister...call name Zeus At the rainbow bridge: Zappa 12/27/2000-1/23/2012 You are my heart, my soul, and my best friend. You will be with me always.

05-22-2011, 08:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
jaggirl47 Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 2,936	Maybe check out herding classes. I think that line is pretty well known for that. Not positive though. __________________ SBD Posejpal's Leyna, HCTs Coming Soon: SBD Posejpal's Jagermeister...call name Zeus At the rainbow bridge: Zappa 12/27/2000-1/23/2012 You are my heart, my soul, and my best friend. You will be with me always.

05-22-2011, 08:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
jillian Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 127	What kind of treats are you using? I would try something super appealing like frozen hotdog bits and never try to train her on a full stomach either. Usually I will do a short training session and play session before breakfast so they are VERY hungry and then when you are done put her away in her crate/kennel or wherever her place is and wait 30 minutes then give her breakfast. Also try using a dish rag or hand towel and play tug with her as a reward she may just love it! As far as stopping her from doing what you don't want her to do, you need to teach her the word NO and needs to understand no means no! You can accomplish this by leaving a small light line attached to her at all times when she's loose in the house so when she's not listening you can just simply grab the line and let her no that you meant no when you said it. The element of surprise is amazing! __________________

05-22-2011, 08:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
Stosh Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: tyler texas Posts: 8,434	She may need a whole lot of exercise. The age she is now is pretty challenging and not the way she'll be forever. I would suggest obedience class and maybe rally for the control and something like frisbee for that high activity level she has

05-22-2011, 08:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
Countrymama Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 118	she has a nyla bone chew (since she's teething) that she loves to tear up, a tennis ball she's not too fond of, a kong she doesn't really like and a rope she picks at. She recently found a 6 inch bouncy ball (my sons) that she became addicted to until she popped it. I haven't found anything that she likes well enough to do anything i ask her to do get it. She's a diva.

05-22-2011, 08:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
Countrymama Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 118	Tonight she became addicted to my son's 6 inch bouncy ball..chasing it around the house and having me chase her to get it. She wore her self out to stumbling but still wanted to play! I had to throw it out since she popped it and at the moment she's tracking through the house to find it and whining. Thinking I should buy her one meant for her.

05-22-2011, 08:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
carmspack Knighted Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario - Posts: 3,325	I guess you could have expected more drive than your laid back Tessa since both parents were police dogs . Was your Ziva presented as a laid back pup in the litter? I find it a bit unusual for a female to be a police dog and a dam , or at least if so, not in an exclusive in house breeding program where the pups are bred specifically for service. Would you share the pedigrees please. Are you saying that she bites at "invisible" flies and midges , or does she air snap as a sass you back when you are firm with her? Does she have fleas or itches or is the "flea biting" a stress releaving displacement activity. Maybe start with good strong exercise , crating , bringing her out for concentrated focused work, back to crate to think about it . This gives some framework for attention to you instead of her wandering around finding things to amuse herself with around the house. It's great that she has a strong tracking drive -- Carmen Carmspack Working German Shepherd Dogs

05-22-2011, 08:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
Countrymama Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 118	She's pure Kirschental

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