Cesar Millan

[Ucdcrush]

Originally Posted by Karin

The dog did not do well with the way he handled him.

Shadow walking calmly with other dogs on the dog whisperer show = not doing well? No one seems to be able to answer that. I suppose a criticism could be the the dog was traumatized or injured, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Originally Posted by Karin

The dog is doing fine now with another owner who is handling him in a different way.

That is good supplemental information to have but it's not relevant. Everyone knows there are many ways to handle dogs that can be successful, no one has claimed otherwise. When you make a series of statements like you have above, it appears as if you're saying that Cesar's methods didn't work, and other methods are working. But the truth is that both ways worked.

Yet people say X method is "better" or "worse" than Y method, it seems odd to say that when the result is the same or similar. And those that criticize CM always talk about how wrong he is, how there are better ways, etc. What's the point of the criticism?

That is all I'm "defending" when it appears I am defending Cesar -- criticism of a method that works.

And I know there are people who watch that video and interpret it as abuse and kicking. We all have our opinions. It makes sense that if people DO interpret the video that way, they would be critical of Cesar's method despite the results he gets.

[Karin]

Originally Posted by Ucdcrush

Shadow walking calmly with other dogs on the dog whisperer show = not doing well? No one seems to be able to answer that. I suppose a criticism could be the the dog was traumatized or injured, but that doesn't seem to be the case.



That is good supplemental information to have but it's not relevant. Everyone knows there are many ways to handle dogs that can be successful, no one has claimed otherwise. When you make a series of statements like you have above, it appears as if you're saying that Cesar's methods didn't work, and other methods are working. But the truth is that both ways worked.

Yet people say X method is "better" or "worse" than Y method, it seems odd to say that when the result is the same or similar. And those that criticize CM always talk about how wrong he is, how there are better ways, etc. What's the point of the criticism?

That is all I'm "defending" when it appears I am defending Cesar -- criticism of a method that works.

And I know there are people who watch that video and interpret it as abuse and kicking. We all have our opinions. It makes sense that if people DO interpret the video that way, they would be critical of Cesar's method despite the results he gets.

Yes, we are definitely entitled to our own opinions, and my opinion is that the kicking and choking that you see in the video did not work for this dog (heck, I can guarantee that it wouldn't work for my dog, who is also dog reactive). Shadow was probably so afraid of Cesar at that point that the other dogs were the last thing on his mind. And I think that the fact that Shadow is doing great now is totally relevant.

I think we might just have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't have to prove anything (or explain every nuance of why I feel the way I do) to anyone in order to justify my having a differing opinion than yours on the matter.

[GSKnight]

please.... can't we "catfish" this thread?

[GregK]

Originally Posted by studio1one

Cesar Millan "The Dog Whisperer" strangles dog. Training? - YouTube

2 things that stand right out.

He has no working relationship with the dog. That’s very important when working with a dog - especially an aggressive reactive dog! If he had that working relationship the dog wouldn’t have redirected on him like that and he wouldn’t have had to practically asphyxiate the poor dog.　

The second thing which would be part of the working relationship - eye contact. I would have a dog like that burning a hole through my head his eye contact would be so intense! This is so import to have with your dog - again, especially an aggressive reactive dog or any kind of reactive dog!

The eye contact would be on cue and the second the husky eyeballed the other dog Cesar could have used that cue instead of that ridiculous ‘Shhhhhhhhhtttt’ and a kick to the stomach.