The trainer popped my pup on the nose

[Castlemaid]

Really bugs me when people say that puppies are being bad. That is like saying an infant is bad for crying because they have colic.

Jax, I'd be LIVID if anyone handled my dogs that way!

For me, I don't care if the vet staff like my dogs or not - what I care about is if they treat me and my dogs with consideration and respect, and don't assume that they can handle the dogs better than I can.

[onyx'girl]

I have a reactive dog who, at the vet has to be muzzled. She isn't a "princess" but a fearful dog because her experiences at the previous vet were never positive. She is 90# of muscle and not a fatty. I have to ace her just to have the control that we do. The table works wonders for her, and my vet(new one) knows that Onyx needs different approach than: just grab, get er done and get her out. When the vet shows confidence(not dominance) the dog feels a bit more secure. I trust my vet, not so sure about the techs...

I believe some dogs are better off if the owner isn't there, in my dogs case, I am at her head while the vet and techs do their thing.
Every dog is different and every experience is different. But the experience should be as positive as we can make it for them whatever the temperament of the dog(or owner).

[Jax08]

Why is it when I disagree with someone, I'm perfect? I am not picking on you. I am addressing issues that you are ignoring from a client perspective. How many times do I need to say that I was not making excuses for animals that will bite and owners that lie? Are you purposely ignoring that fact? I hardly think I'm a responsible for your bad mood so don't blame me for your over reacting to what was said.

Originally Posted by wyominggrandma

Jax08
I am not perfect, obviously you are. Why don't you get over it and leave me alone. I am trying to post again, but you are making it impossible to even want to. Whatever.

[Jax08]

Originally Posted by onyx'girl

I have a reactive dog who, at the vet has to be muzzled. She isn't a "princess" but a fearful dog because her experiences at the previous vet were never positive. She is 90# of muscle and not a fatty. I have to ace her just to have the control that we do. The table works wonders for her, and my vet(new one) knows that Onyx needs different approach than: just grab, get er done and get her out. When the vet shows confidence(not dominance) the dog feels a bit more secure. I trust my vet, not so sure about the techs...

I believe some dogs are better off if the owner isn't there, in my dogs case, I am at her head while the vet and techs do their thing.
Every dog is different and every experience is different. But the experience should be as positive as we can make it for them whatever the temperament of the dog(or owner).

Jane - do you get the Ace prior to the visit? We've discussed this with our former vet for Banshee but then when it came time to bring her in we got the run around. She is so terrified that her hair flies off in clumps. She is definitely better for me than DH. He babies her and I won't put up with nonsense. I've been wondering about having the vet come here on a farm call for her to see if that makes it any better for her.

[Jax08]

Lucia - I YELLED at that tech. She didn't come back into the room. It wasn't long before I switched vets for other things that happened but I always tried to schedule my appt's depending on what tech was working and to avoid one of the vets that worked there. I wish I lived closer to the chiropractic vet. He was awesome!

[codmaster]

wyominggrandma, Would you let a Dr. (and nurse) take your 4 yo child (if you had one) in the back treatment room and do a procedure on him/her without you going with him/her?

How about if you heard them scream out? Or come back into the room all shaken up and crying?

Is that ok? Because the Dr. and/or nurse are pros and know the best way to treat a child??????? Don't they?

[Chicagocanine]

Originally Posted by wyominggrandma

Training your dog with positive reinforcement is great and more power to you, BUt make sure your dog can and will take physical restraint from a vet or vet tech without biting, because sometimes if they are never taught that a hand can hold their head or face or muzzle or leg or whatever, they will act up and possible bite.

Whether or not someone trains with positive reinforcement has nothing to do with whether a dog is comfortable with vet restraint. The two are not connected.

[G-burg]

I am a trainer, groomer, have been showing dogs for years and years and excuse me but the owner INSISTED we finish trimming the dogs nails. I tell people with new puppies to spend lots and lots touching and rubbing their feet, just like I tried to explain to this man that is what he needed to do with his dog. He demanded we finish the dogs nails.
This forum is nothing but a bunch of people who feel they know better than the person standing there or being there or anything else and don't even give a chance for anyone to say anything. I didnot feel the need to get into a three page long explanation of what the owner wanted and why we did what we did, I was trying to say that WE are the ones who get bit and chewed up when YOUR dog will not tolorate being touched. EXCUSE me if I didn't going into total explanation, I figured some people might just try to understand what I was trying to say instead of blasting me and my vet. YOU don't know me, YOU don't know what I do everyday or everyweekend so YOU do not have the right to tell me what a horrible vet tech I am. EVERYTHING with dogs is not cut and dry, not a text book case. Obviously if one dares to post to this forum, the majority will trash them or tell them their opinions.
See ya, too bad your opinions make people leave or not want to post.

wyominggrandma...
I feel ya and totally understand where your coming from.. We experience it all.. Advice I can give you... Let it go.. Don't let an internet chat board get to you.. I work in a dog training facility, that also does grooming..

What I've learned on these types of boards over the years is to not share to much information.. Everyone has an opinion on what's best and that's okay.. Even though I know the methods we use work and have worked well, have helped thousands of people with their dogs over the years and will continue to help people that are open minded to the different training techniques and want a well behaved pet.. That's what I focus on, the real experiences of watching the dogs transform..

Not everyone that comes to our classes are going to subscribe to our methods, there gonna know more than you, be resistant to what you have to offer and that's okay too..

[plusdoegsd]

that would have been our last training session with this obviously incapable trainer wannabe. lasting results dont come from harsh training techniques but from investing time and earning trust and patiently making the dog enjoy working with you.