If I had to drag out a clicker and treats for every door I wanted my dog to sit at all day before going through, or lay down for a minute, or go to his bed, it would be quite a process.
That statement can only come from someone who knows NOTHING about clicker training, so please, for those of you thinking about starting up with the clicker, DISREGARD that statement....... As important as it is to click/treat initially with ALL initial training
.......................... The next stage of CLICKER training is random reinforcement. Then fading the treats almost entirely (or entirely).
I'm looking for calm, submissive OB.
I have friends with top obedience dogs, and I know tons of Sch dogs I've seen perform amazing obedience routines. Never have these trainers said their goal is a 'calm/submissive' dog.
Of course, many clicker dogs aren't as enthusiastic once the food is gone either.
The only times I've seen this is when the owners fail to learn what clicker training is, and did it WRONG. Meaning they only learned part of the theory (goodness knows, taking classes to learn it right, and CONTINUING to take classes to progress and learn would mean I'd have to commit to something and learn something new....).
That statement just isn't true. Period. For dogs that are clicker trained properly using all the theory and ideas behind this training METHOD. It is a method. Based on way more than the mere 'click/treat' and that's it. Books are written about it. Trainers take years to learn and teach it well. I've been using it for years and I am still learning.
I want a fast, thinking, learning dog that is enthusiastic. I get that throwing the clicker into MY training bag of tricks.
And I would much rather say I have a crazy drivey dog listening and obeying then a 'calm, submissive' one.
I agree that positive training is not for everyone. It require an owner who wants not only comply of commands, but a relationship the dog. Bond. It requires not to want a slave but a partner. Bond. It requires to be willing to spend time and effort shaping and proofing a behavior instead of a quick fix. Bond.
Just read that and it's a great statement probably putting my training theory into a few great sentences. If my ONLY goal is an end behavior ( ie a 'sit') then it doesn't matter how I taught it, using a 2X4 over their head (just kidding
) or using a clicker. But if I have a BIGGER goal............................. a relationship and bonding goal WITH my dog. And I do. It's the more positive training for me! My dogs. My choice.