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wolfy dog 04-20-2014 06:16 PM

Fluke or intelligence?
 
Interesting behavior this morning.
Last night I started working on "Relax" (behavior only so far) by clicking as he lied down on his side, head on the floor. I don't want to call this behavior "Play Dead" as I have buried four dogs in the last three years. After several minutes he offered the behavior more reliably. Then this morning I was reading the paper, the clicker and treats next to me on the table. DDog sat next to me, probably feeling ignored.
Then he whined and automatically I looked at him (wrong behavior to reward, I know). As soon as we locked eyes he lied down, head on the floor, still trying to look at me. So I rewarded him with a clicker and treat.
Was this a fluke or had he really planned this? If he planned it, he must have thought in Canine something like: "Hm, no attention, the chicken treats out of reach. I want them really bad but cannot steal them right now. *thinking hard* Ok, first I need her to look at me so "whine" in a subtle tone. OMG, she sees me, drop flat! Does she notice? Yes she does! Click and Chicken! Yoohoo, this worked!! Will remember for next time."
While I am thinking that I am doing a pretty good job in training this pup. :D

Baillif 04-20-2014 07:49 PM

I like my behaviors under stimulus control meaning I ask for them and then mark and reward instead of allowing the dog to just offer it whenever. Now that's not to say you can't free shape the behavior by just click rewarding like you did whenever you see it so that you can get it more often before putting it under stimulus control, just be aware of the order of things.

According to learning theory any behavior positively reinforced will (usually) appear more often. So it isn't anything unusual it was just the dog offering a behavior that has produced a positive result in the past. Nothing special about that, it's just how animals are.

wolfy dog 04-20-2014 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Baillif (Post 5405297)
I like my behaviors under stimulus control meaning I ask for them and then mark and reward instead of allowing the dog to just offer it whenever.

How do you ask something that the dog has not learned yet, expecting the dog to know what you want?
If it weren't a fluke I am still very proud of him, even when it seems to be "nothing special".

Baillif 04-20-2014 11:05 PM

Lure it or negative reinforce him into it or like you're basically doing without realizing free shape it.

Diesel7602 04-22-2014 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfy dog (Post 5404929)
Interesting behavior this morning.
Last night I started working on "Relax" (behavior only so far) by clicking as he lied down on his side, head on the floor. I don't want to call this behavior "Play Dead" as I have buried four dogs in the last three years. After several minutes he offered the behavior more reliably. Then this morning I was reading the paper, the clicker and treats next to me on the table. DDog sat next to me, probably feeling ignored.
Then he whined and automatically I looked at him (wrong behavior to reward, I know). As soon as we locked eyes he lied down, head on the floor, still trying to look at me. So I rewarded him with a clicker and treat.
Was this a fluke or had he really planned this? If he planned it, he must have thought in Canine something like: "Hm, no attention, the chicken treats out of reach. I want them really bad but cannot steal them right now. *thinking hard* Ok, first I need her to look at me so "whine" in a subtle tone. OMG, she sees me, drop flat! Does she notice? Yes she does! Click and Chicken! Yoohoo, this worked!! Will remember for next time."
While I am thinking that I am doing a pretty good job in training this pup. :D

I think you just have a smart pup :D not a fluke!! I do clicker with my dog, and after one day or 10 min of training he knows what to do after I ask. Click and treat. I think gsd are fast learners. And clickers are amazing. Good luck on the training. I'm teaching mine to crawl right now.;)


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Jax08 04-22-2014 11:42 PM

sounds like he was either throwing the behavior he had been taught or just laid down.


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