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Old 04-14-2014, 09:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Okay...we always supervise interactions between Abby and the kids but I need to know what kind of correction is appropriate for a 12 week old pup. She mouths the kids...my youngest is 2 but very small for his age(think 18 month old who can walk and talk like a 3 year old)..she bullies him, that is the best way to describe it. Abby weighs right now more then him. I try to redirect right away or remove her from the area but that is hard to do during daily living. Ideally I just want her to leave them alone, ignore them....I know that sounds cold and I know it is in possible to ask at her age.

Also when she is outside with them she is always on leash...if she tries to mouth or jump on one of the kids I grab her leash and give her a stern no and a quick correction on the leash? Is this the right direction to go?

My oldest is 5 almost 6 and he can give her commands like sit etc and she listens to him but the other kids don't have the maturity.

This is a greatest and most pressing issue we have with Abby. Need some ideas on how to get through it.

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Old 04-14-2014, 10:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This is our big issue as well.
If saying NO redirecting and/or just walking away doesn't work and she continues to follow them around biting then I put her in the crate. I'm no help *shocker* but I know it can be stressful. And for us it's the older kids she won't stop latching on to.

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I am sorry you are going through it also....it is stressful....my kids are 5,4,2,2.

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Good grief, you have four kids age five and under and got a puppy? You have a 12 week old puppy and are expecting it to SIT and other stuff for 5 year old kids and under? Your 12 week old PUPPY is a BULLY??? I'm sorry, but maybe it wasn't such a great time to bring in a little landshark. Maybe. And maybe not. But, puppies mouth because that is how they explore their world. You need to teach them not to mouth the children. But I really don't know. It sounds like you have your hands full, and teaching a puppy is got to be a bit much. But expecting a puppy to listen to obedience commands from people under the age of 5 is a bit much at this point. First train the puppy, and then train the kids how to do the commands with the dog, and train the puppy to obey commands given by the kid.

As for the tiny kid, I don't know. The puppy is not abnormal, and I just have never met a 12 week old puppy that was bullying children. Boisterous, mouthing, energetic, sure. But bullying. It's a baby. It's more of a baby at this point than your baby, but won't be for long, and it already outweighs your kids.

But you expect the puppy to ignore the kids??? Puppies live in litters, and children speak higher and run and play, and how can a puppy not be infected by that.

I think you're not being totally reasonable about the puppy, and I can understand why. At the same time, I just don't think you have realistic expectations for a puppy of this age.
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I am sorry you are going through it also....it is stressful....my kids are 5,4,2,2.

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Mine are 3,5,9,10&11 and I certainly have days that are overwhelming.

Zoe is 17 weeks and 40 lbs so my panic is starting to set in on when the biting will subside. We are consistent, firm and fair....And mini timeouts in the crate are getting to be fewer. I just get worried sometimes that the amount of biting is unusual.... concerned that I'm going to be forgiving it as puppy behavior when it has in fact turned into a real problem.

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Oh and marrow bones. We have plenty of toys and chews to try to redirect her with but 9 times out of 10 the kids are apparently more appealing. The marrow bone is a win every time I need a major distraction. And now that Zoe is losing teeth I think I'm going to try a frozen washcloth.

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From one who raised pups with children, not as many as yours but ages 3,2 and months... I had to learn.

Remember... puppies don't have 'hands.' So mouth replaces hands.

You have little children so you know how natural it is for them to grab things, throw things carry things, right?

Puppy is learning.

In the litter, nipping, tussling, biting is all part of the play.

They aren't 'people' and we ask them to adjust to our world.

play with your puppy - without children. Give puppy the same one on one time you would for each of your little ones.

Once pup matures there will be less mouthing. But until pup finishing teething, you need to expect some of this behaviour.

Don't confuse puppy with directions from children. teach puppy to mind you. Teach children proper manners with puppy ( don't run, squeal, tease and not expect pup to do the same).

Good luck and PM me with any questions I can try to help you with.
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Good grief, you have four kids age five and under and got a puppy? You have a 12 week old puppy and are expecting it to SIT and other stuff for 5 year old kids and under? Your 12 week old PUPPY is a BULLY??? I'm sorry, but maybe it wasn't such a great time to bring in a little landshark. Maybe. And maybe not. But, puppies mouth because that is how they explore their world. You need to teach them not to mouth the children. But I really don't know. It sounds like you have your hands full, and teaching a puppy is got to be a bit much. But expecting a puppy to listen to obedience commands from people under the age of 5 is a bit much at this point. First train the puppy, and then train the kids how to do the commands with the dog, and train the puppy to obey commands given by the kid.

As for the tiny kid, I don't know. The puppy is not abnormal, and I just have never met a 12 week old puppy that was bullying children. Boisterous, mouthing, energetic, sure. But bullying. It's a baby. It's more of a baby at this point than your baby, but won't be for long, and it already outweighs your kids.

But you expect the puppy to ignore the kids??? Puppies live in litters, and children speak higher and run and play, and how can a puppy not be infected by that.

I think you're not being totally reasonable about the puppy, and I can understand why. At the same time, I just don't think you have realistic expectations for a puppy of this age.
Excuse me maybe read my post again.....I said I KNOW that having a 12 week old puppy is not able to ignore a child....they don't have the ability or maturity yet. I explained that in my post.

And yes I did exactly that....I trained the dog to sit and down those are her 100% commands then I taught my 5 year old, not my 4 year old or 2 year olds how to correctly ask her to sit and down. And she listens to him 100%.

I do not have my hands full, my heart yes...lol. and yes I have 4 kids 5 and under and got a puppy.....it is not different then adding another child which you would probable think the same thing about.

I never said bullying was a great description....but it is an easy way to say she tends to focus on him....maybe it is just his voice, it is the highest.

How about you give some useful advice??

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From one who raised pups with children, not as many as yours but ages 3,2 and months... I had to learn.

Remember... puppies don't have 'hands.' So mouth replaces hands.

You have little children so you know how natural it is for them to grab things, throw things carry things, right?

Puppy is learning.

In the litter, nipping, tussling, biting is all part of the play.

They aren't 'people' and we ask them to adjust to our world.

play with your puppy - without children. Give puppy the same one on one time you would for each of your little ones.

Once pup matures there will be less mouthing. But until pup finishing teething, you need to expect some of this behaviour.

Don't confuse puppy with directions from children. teach puppy to mind you. Teach children proper manners with puppy ( don't run, squeal, tease and not expect pup to do the same).

Good luck and PM me with any questions I can try to help you with.
I do give the pup plenty of one on one time...when the littles are having down time....which is for a few hours a day it is just me and Abby. My oldest is in school all day and my other kids love to play together. The only time Abby is not my main focus is school time.

Jimmy, my 5 year old asks Abby to sit and down only....he knows the correct hand signals and understands to only ask once. She listens to him every time. The other kids aren't mature enough.

We worked a lot on proper behaviour with the kids....no teasing,no running,hoping etc. By her, and no hugs(that has been hard for them), always pet her back.

Ya we have toys everywhere...and marrow bones are great.

I will PM you later today after I get my oldest off to school.

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Excuse me maybe read my post again.....I said I KNOW that having a 12 week old puppy is not able to ignore a child....they don't have the ability or maturity yet. I explained that in my post.

And yes I did exactly that....I trained the dog to sit and down those are her 100% commands then I taught my 5 year old, not my 4 year old or 2 year olds how to correctly ask her to sit and down. And she listens to him 100%.

I do not have my hands full, my heart yes...lol. and yes I have 4 kids 5 and under and got a puppy.....it is not different then adding another child which you would probable think the same thing about.

I never said bullying was a great description....but it is an easy way to say she tends to focus on him....maybe it is just his voice, it is the highest.

How about you give some useful advice??

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My only advice is to let the puppy be a puppy and don't demand 100% on anything yet, though house training should be getting there, if not already there.

My mother had 4 kids age five and under, and added another two down the line. So I do not have a problem with larger families. I am more concerned with expecting a 12 week old baby-puppy to listen to commands from little kids, but to also ignore the little kids, and to be careful and gentle around them, and to be 100% on some commands, etc.
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