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Old 03-06-2014, 09:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Obedient inside - Defiant outside :(

Hi folks,

This time Iíve a question about training/behavior of my boy jack.

Heís very obedient when we are playing training inside the house or EVEN in my lawn for that matter. But as soon as I take him outside, he wonít listen to me. He wonít sit when I tell him to, let alone going down Ė which he does on the very first command when inside. When I tell him to stay, heíll simply follow me as soon as I start to walk away from him but heíll put stay for hours at the same spot when we are inside. It also happens even when there is no distraction out there, and even when there are distractions, Jackie stays focused on me but won't listen.

So what can I do to make him obey me outside?

Look forward to your great responses!

Many thanks
Ali.
P.S. I believe the doctrine that whenever thereís a problem in a dog, itís the owners fault. So Iím really frustrated that what am I doing wrong? I know Jackie is a smart boy and I love him to bits.
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Old 03-06-2014, 09:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You know the saying 'practice makes perfect' so keep that in mind

The world is an exciting place; you need to be more exciting than the sounds, sights, and smells of the outside world. Bring toys, treats, an upbeat attitude and lots of patience. Whenever you start something new you always start from square 1 and work your way up, so keep rewarding every glance, every movement you like so the dog will be looking to you constantly in anticipation for getting rewarded for those behaviours.

One thing I found that helped when I saw Delgado struggling with focus is stop, find a quieter place and take a break for a few moments. Get that engagement back and then start again, keep sessions short and always end on good notes and you should see good progress
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How long have you been trying to train this? It takes longer outside because he's not as secure as he is inside, so he follows you.
The dog is only nine months old.
Keep practicing. Take a favorite toy as a reward, have him stay, take only a couple of steps away from him. If he stays, praise. Add distance. If he breaks the down, you can correct.
What I did was a loud, "Ah!" whenever he tried to move. If he went back into the down, I praised and increased distance. Then I called him to me and we had a party and he got the ball as a reward.
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train where the behaviour is needed .
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Good suggestions- train more outside, starting with less distractions and then adding. Also you could start with a higher value treat/reward when outside training and under more distractions. For example instead of kibble that works well in the house use a food roll or hotdog outside.
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Sounds like your pup is having trouble focusing on you. Have you read through this sticky yet:

Teaching Focus

It has some really good ideas! Remember that it takes time and patience and he won't be 100% over night. Reward even baby steps!
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Thanks for the great suggestions, I've been trying for the last 40 days or so... and have tried most of things you guys mentioned... Like I take his favorite toy and treats with me when we go out, the session is short and fun... and as I said his focus is always on me. I'll keep trying though
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. and as I said his focus is always on me. I'll keep trying though
No, his focus isn't on you if he isn't listening to you.
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Old 03-07-2014, 02:52 PM   #9 (permalink)
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You need to rethink how you train. It needs to be so much fun and exciting that the pup thinks it's a game. If the pup thinks of training as a game then he'll willingly do it anywhere because it's play.

Right now when you let the pup outside he's thinking "mom makes me train inside so when I'm outside I want to play!". The pup should be thinking "wow we get to play this fun sit, down, stay game inside and outside!"

Make it fun and engaging for the pup and he'll start listening. Btw an earlier post said he's only 9 months give it time and I disagree with that. That's an excuse. A 9 month pup should be able to sit down stay outside with distance at that age. The tricky part is to have the pup willingly do it instead of having to make him do it.
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Thanks for the great suggestions, I've been trying for the last 40 days or so... and have tried most of things you guys mentioned... Like I take his favorite toy and treats with me when we go out, the session is short and fun... and as I said his focus is always on me. I'll keep trying though
If his focus is on you, as you say, I wonder if he isn't understanding what you are asking for? Dogs do need help generalizing behaviors sometimes, so if he's paying attention (the struggle for most pups in a new location) but not doing what you say, he either doesn't understand or isn't motivated. If he doesn't understand, you can go back to the beginning (hey we learned "sit" inside, now we're going to learn it from the beginning again in the yard and at the park and at home depot!) so he learns that "sit" means sit everywhere you go.

If he understands and is focused, he may not be motivated. Overcoming scary (I already feel vulnerable in this new place and if I lay down I won't be able to run away as quickly) and uncomfortable (You want me to put my sensitive butt furs down on this cold wet pavement?) things requires a lot more motivation and some baby steps. Try doing some very simple behaviors in a new place to help your pup relax and get into "working" mode. Hand targeting is a good one and my dog also likes tug and spin. If she won't tug with me, I know she's not comfortable and that she probably won't be able to do any more difficult behaviors until she relaxes.

I do find that very smelly real meat treat rewards work best in tough circumstances, but my pup also went through a stage where she wouldn't accept any kind of food treat outside of our home/backyard.
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