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Radioflyer 01-28-2014 05:35 PM

Teaching the "circle around"?
 
Something I've seen that is very popular with GSD and other similar breeds is when your dog is called, they will circle around behind and sit on your dominant-hand side looking up at you and awaiting your command.

My 18 week old Shiloh "Kiyah" will follow my hand as I turn around to do this, but I'm curious what the trick is to associate this behavior as an automatic response to the come command.

thank you

Merciel 01-28-2014 06:24 PM

Do you mean a right finish?


(not my video, obv., it just happened to be the first result when I Googled "youtube right finish")

I train this with a hand target, which I think is the fastest and most common way of doing it. You can see that the person in this youtube also (probably) started with a hand target and has mostly faded it into a waving gesture.

It wouldn't be very difficult to make this a default response to a "come" -- it's just a matter of training the basic movement, putting it on verbal cue, fading the hand gesture, and then practicing it over and over and over until the dog knows that this is always the correct response to the verbal cue "come" -- but if you ever plan to go into any sort of formal competition, that will eventually bite you in the butt because you're skipping the front and going straight to a finish.

So personally I wouldn't want to do it that way. But if you did want to do it that way, again, not very hard. A fair number of people wind up with unwanted auto-finishes just because they forget to separately reinforce the Fronts and only reward the finishes.

llombardo 01-28-2014 06:53 PM

I teach mine both "around" and "side". I like them to know both. Both GSDs seem to prefer the side command, while the goldens seem to prefer around. These are great with fronts but I teach them separately then together, because I don't want them to do it as one command. I say front and they sit in front of me until I give them the next command. I also alternate the two because I don't want the dogs to assume what is coming next. I use luring with treats to teach. I can't explain the hand signals I use .

Sunflowers 01-28-2014 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by llombardo (Post 4922738)
I teach mine both "around" and "side". I like them to know both. Both GSDs seem to prefer the side command, while the goldens seem to prefer around..

Funny this should be posted, we just started working on that this week.
I began trying to use the "around" command and it failed, I kept getting a down from Hans.
:D

Sunflowers 01-28-2014 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merciel (Post 4922586)
it just happened to be the first result when I Googled "youtube right finish")

I did that and got Van Halen!
http://youtu.be/gsqywc7fnqE

Nigel 01-28-2014 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merciel (Post 4922586)
Do you mean a right finish?

Dachshund Nola Learns Rally: Right Finish - YouTube

(not my video, obv., it just happened to be the first result when I Googled "youtube right finish")

I train this with a hand target, which I think is the fastest and most common way of doing it. You can see that the person in this youtube also (probably) started with a hand target and has mostly faded it into a waving gesture.

It wouldn't be very difficult to make this a default response to a "come" -- it's just a matter of training the basic movement, putting it on verbal cue, fading the hand gesture, and then practicing it over and over and over until the dog knows that this is always the correct response to the verbal cue "come" -- but if you ever plan to go into any sort of formal competition, that will eventually bite you in the butt because you're skipping the front and going straight to a finish.

So personally I wouldn't want to do it that way. But if you did want to do it that way, again, not very hard. A fair number of people wind up with unwanted auto-finishes just because they forget to separately reinforce the Fronts and only reward the finishes.

I never faded out my hand gesture, is there some level of competition where you can't use it?

We use the cue "around" but I think you can use your own. Unlike the dog in the video, make sure your pup plants his butt at the end, they like to cheat to get the reward.


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