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Old 01-25-2014, 01:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi everyone, this is my 13 month old czechy puppy and I heeling. As of right now we are just training for fun but would like to get serious soon. We may train in schutzhund, rally, or both. Lately we've been having issues with forging(probably due to poor award placement?). As you can see in the video our work on rear end awareness and focus is paying off. I used to reward while she was still in position, but now I use my marker/release word and then toss the ball. If you have any constructive criticism or tips on how to fix the forging or any other issues you see please let me know. Thanks so much!


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Old 01-25-2014, 02:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
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very nice! can i have your dog? i also use a ball and just recently i've been rewarding basically perpendicular to my body so my dog doesnt anticipate the reward coming out even a little bit in front of him and forging. its just a ball on a long string like in the video below. this is where i copied the idea from. not really sure if it'll help but it makes sense in my mind!


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Thank you very much for the complement and reply. That video is very good. I will have to watch the next one as well. I use a ball on string too. I'm waiting for a new shipment because I lost my other balls when I was injured at the park and needed to leave immediately.

" i also use a ball and just recently i've been rewarding basically perpendicular to my body so my dog doesnt anticipate the reward coming out even a little bit in front of him and forging"

So you use your right hand to throw the ball towards his mouth? I'll try that. I reward in all different positions. I'm not consistent with it. Maybe that's the problem?
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Fantastic job! The both of you are doing great. I love her enthusiasm.
Keep up the good work!
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You look pretty darned good! The dog is happy (major points there) and you seem happy. The routine is animated and lively.

I cannot see for sure where you carry the ball. It might help if you carried it in your left arm pit. To release it, you simply move your elbow out and the ball drops. (Unless the ball is wet with dew or saliva and you are wearing cotton - then it sticks! - So plan on a dry ball or a nylon jacket...)
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You look pretty darned good! The dog is happy (major points there) and you seem happy. The routine is animated and lively.

I cannot see for sure where you carry the ball. It might help if you carried it in your left arm pit. To release it, you simply move your elbow out and the ball drops. (Unless the ball is wet with dew or saliva and you are wearing cotton - then it sticks! - So plan on a dry ball or a nylon jacket...)
Thanks so much! It's nice to know we're doing something right...haha. I was carrying it in my hand. I have tried carrying it in my armpit, but the little stinker sometimes jumps up to get it when I give her her marker/release, and she's not careful when she does this. It doesn't help that I'm short either. You know, the more I think of it I think that ball was sticking, which is what was causing our problems. Wow, I love it when the light bulb goes off. Thanks! I'll either dry the ball or wear nylon. I'll let you know how it goes.
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Fantastic job! The both of you are doing great. I love her enthusiasm.
Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much! She takes after her mommy. We both love training! Now if I could just get her to stop barking at other dogs we might be able to trial in rally. We have a great group that trains in flyball, rally, schutzhund, and french ring. We will be joining them soon.
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There is a lot good there, however I notice on a couple she has tendency to crab you and then you try to turn into her to fix this. I would work on in the kitchen her being able to turn left without you running onto her, this is kind of hard to explain what I do but it goes along with slow down and work on rear end awareness so she can turn he but without you guiding her around. Also I notice you have a tendency to throw the toy and she develops anticipation for that which leads to her leaving your side before the reward does in the one where you are walking at the camera. So try and have her come up your side and get the reward to keep her by your side. This help to clear some of the forging if you work on the position she should be in. For you I would encourage to pick a goal of where you are heeling and go for that, i.e. it seems like you are walking a random confusing walk around a field and not picking places to go to and that can help with fine tuning.
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There is a lot good there, however I notice on a couple she has tendency to crab you and then you try to turn into her to fix this. I would work on in the kitchen her being able to turn left without you running onto her, this is kind of hard to explain what I do but it goes along with slow down and work on rear end awareness so she can turn he but without you guiding her around. Also I notice you have a tendency to throw the toy and she develops anticipation for that which leads to her leaving your side before the reward does in the one where you are walking at the camera. So try and have her come up your side and get the reward to keep her by your side. This help to clear some of the forging if you work on the position she should be in. For you I would encourage to pick a goal of where you are heeling and go for that, i.e. it seems like you are walking a random confusing walk around a field and not picking places to go to and that can help with fine tuning.
You are right, she does anticipate the reward and begins to leaves position before I trow it. I never even noticed that until you mentioned it. I think she's doing this because I used my marker/release word, so she knows it's coming. So now that she clearly understands the commands, do you think I should do away with the marker and just release the ball (in position)?

Okay, so you think I should plan out our heeling route ahead of time? No problem. My main goal was to work on left turns. I kind of just turned whenever I felt like it, but a few times I turned so swiftly that I had to catch my balance...lol. So maybe a plan would be good. Thanks so much!
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I'm going to add one thing that I might have forgotten earlier - I started throwing the reward, too. I was told not to throw it but to drop it. Works better. It is at the end, when we are leaving the field after our short boute of training, that we throw the reward & play.
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