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Old 01-14-2014, 07:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
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We started doing a basic puppy class as Titan is a little over 4 months. 3 weeks in I realized he needs more than that, so we checked out a local schutzhund club and are doing a 6 week course and at the end if he has what it takes we will join the club and continue.
At the regular puppy class she had us teach for the dog to sit anywhere around you.
Well now I need to retrain him to sit close and we are having a difficult time getting him close on the heir. He will get within a foot and sit.
I back pedal a few steps and bring the treat into my stomach an hold it there and he won't get close enough he just sits about a foot away.
Also, with the fuss, I try to get him turned around behind me and he either looses interest, thinks I dropped the hot dog, or when he does the complete fuss, will sit facing me.
I'm using chicken hot dogs but I'm thinking maybe getting a higher reward. Maybe doing some beef liver or heart cooked.
Also, we have him clicker trained but obviously need to get him off the clicker because it can't be used in competition. Could that be throwing him off?
Any advice is appreciated.
I'm in call this weekend and can't make it to training so we have our little puppy class tomorrow and I have 2 weeks to get this right before our next class.
I also am setting a track before doing OB. Should I wait 15-20 mins and then do 5-10 min of OB.
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I'd backtrack and make sure this is really less formal.

Also, sit on the ground for awhile. You need to have way more treats way more often just for being with/on you.

Need to have a good background with engagement before you can do the best 'training'

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Also, have you gotten all this stuff down --> Top Training Expectations for Puppies

good luck...remember, get down on the ground initially!
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I'd backtrack and make sure this is really less formal.

Also, sit on the ground for awhile. You need to have way more treats way more often just for being with/on you.

Need to have a good background with engagement before you can do the best 'training'

Introducing: Hob Nob Helo (9 Weeks Old!) on Vimeo

Also, have you gotten all this stuff down --> Top Training Expectations for Puppies

good luck...remember, get down on the ground initially!
Make that puppy miss a meal or two and he will likely get a whole lot more interested..worked for me.
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Also, with the fuss, I try to get him turned around behind me and he either looses interest, thinks I dropped the hot dog, or when he does the complete fuss, will sit facing me.
I'm using chicken hot dogs but I'm thinking maybe getting a higher reward. Maybe doing some beef liver or heart cooked.
Also, we have him clicker trained but obviously need to get him off the clicker because it can't be used in competition. Could that be throwing him off?
Any advice is appreciated.
I'm in call this weekend and can't make it to training so we have our little puppy class tomorrow and I have 2 weeks to get this right before our next class.
I also am setting a track before doing OB. Should I wait 15-20 mins and then do 5-10 min of OB.
I would continue with the clicker, that can be faded after the dog knows the positions and commands. You won't be trialing for a looonng time!

I wouldn't allow the pup to take food from the floor unless it is on a target plate. That way the pup won't be searching out dropped food. If you accidentally drop some, pick it up immediately so pup won't get in that habit. We use target plates alot, they are great training tools.

Engagement is so important, get your puppy into you and want to be with you so the interest isn't lost. I agree, drop the 'formal' and work on engagement. Do you do any perchwork/rear end awareness at home? I'd do that right now too, while your puppy is still small in structure.
We do a lot of restrained recalls with pups this age....recall is so important to learn.
As far as tracking, it is always best to put the pup up for at least a 1/2 hour between sessions so the pup can process what was learned. I wouldn't run a track or do scent boxes and then go right to obedience, puppy brain needs a break!
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The command is 'Hier'.

In German, ie is pronounced ee and ei is pronounced i. In 'hier', the r is soft and is not very audible. More like Heea. Most, but not all 'r's are enunciated well back in the throat with the back of the tongue just grazing the top of the rear of the mouth.

It is were a lot of the rolling 'r's are sounded when they are audible. As in Retchs, or right as in direction of travel.

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this is what how I taught close fronts/sitting at heel.

For close fronts, sit in a chair, legs spread apart, and lure him right into you. Even if he stands at this point, as long as he comes in close. then lure into the sit..

I normally work against a wall of some sort (wall on your left with just enough space that he can come around you and go between you/wall..

I lure (right in front of his nose) around stop at the position you want..If you want him to stop from going right in front of you..put a chair/something to block him from going any further than the sit on your left position..

Anyhow, that's what I have done in the past, and works well...of course you phase out the wall/chair/ after your getting good results.
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As in Retchs, or right as in direction of travel.
The German word for right is "rechts," not "retchs."

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that's funny.

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It is were a lot of the rolling 'r's are sounded when they are audible. As in Retchs, or right as in direction of travel.

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The German word for right is "rechts," not "retchs."

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The German word for right is "rechts," not "retchs."

This concludes your German lesson for today.
Thanks. I missed that.
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