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Old 12-06-2013, 02:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Hate to be debbie downer but, you can tell by the body language lots of aversive use though. You could easily produce this in a day or two with constant e collar pressure to create velcro dogs. They see the owner as the safezone to avoid the shocks. Effective though.
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:35 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Hate to be debbie downer but, you can tell by the body language lots of aversive use though.
I thought so too, and when I viewed it full screen you can see the end of the collar sticking up on the dog on the far right when the camera zooms in while they wait at the curb. When the dog turns it's head to the right you can actually see the receiver.

ETA: While it is certainly impressive looking, I have no need to walk my dogs off leash down busy streets next to traffic (not to mention: leash laws!), so I'd rather have nice loose leash skills any day.
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I thought so too, and when I viewed it full screen you can see the end of the collar sticking up on the dog on the far right when the camera zooms in while they wait at the curb. When the dog turns it's head to the right you can actually see the receiver.
I saw that and just thought it was the end of the collar sticking up like you see with leather collars sometimes.

That sort of changes the whole dynamic....
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:53 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Very impressive but what about leash laws?
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Old 12-06-2013, 03:07 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Oh my sweet sugar lanta.

I'm taking notes.

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Old 12-06-2013, 03:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Edit: W/out the need for shock collars.
Just watched the video again, I agree...they look nervous.

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Old 12-06-2013, 03:11 PM   #17 (permalink)
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It would be way more impressive if all five were looking at his face the tails were up and they were bouncing happily. You can't get that as quickly and it takes a lot more work. This kinda stuff is created so quickly with basic knowledge about e collars it just isn't impressive to people who are in the know. Damned impressive if you haven't seen how fast it works before though.

I'm not saying what hes doing is wrong or barbaric or anything like that, argument is certainly there it is more humane than prong. If you wanted to use e collar in the place of leash that's pretty much how you do it. Could have greatly improved their body language with some +R in there too.
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Old 12-06-2013, 03:14 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Poor dogs they looked stressed...one false move and shock! Not one looks happy to be on a walk.
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Old 12-06-2013, 03:39 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Am I wrong in thinking they don't seem to be happy dogs? Mine will sniff and look around, but comes back to me when I say 'lets go'. These seem to be scared to step away from the handler so much they are all glued to him. The philosophy of owning a dog is so complicated . I can't argue with people who say their dogs are too scared to take a step away from them and that proves their method is right.

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Old 12-06-2013, 03:42 PM   #20 (permalink)
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This is a good example of how there is a cost associated with whatever method of training you use. You're the one that decides what is worth it and what isn't
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