Sit means sit

volcano · 03-08-2013, 08:32 PM

I took my girl for a training demo today at my local sit means sit trainer, its a franchise. Th guy was very close to me so I found him on google. 1st thing he is waiting in front of his house witha big malinois, we greet each other and then he does a demo with his dog. It was ok, not super obedience but a good dog, at the time I didnt even know he was actively using the ecollar.
So, he put his dog away and we brought out Apache. She got to know the room, then he played a bit of tug with her. And then got her using the touchpads and steps he had. When he told her out, he used his hand on her mouth, I showed him how she outs on command and is beyond that. Then he busted out the ecollar and tried to get her to follow him. It didnt quite work, and he was mostly luring with a gentle leash while she went between whining and scratching at the collar. He ignored her strong as **** food drive, and never used his voice as a marker. And then it got a bit salesy and they have packages, and theres a discount if you buy within 24 hours.

I asked if he could let my pup socialize with his dogs and everything he said about his control went out the window and only one dog in his house could be with a pup. He brought out a fat female tall bulldog(I forget which bulldogs are which) My pup got her confidence on, it was fun to watch her try so hard to get this dog to play. She was pouncing in circles and bouncing at the big bulldog which wouldnt do anything but stand there. his own pet was shutdown IMO.

NOPE!

Jag · 03-08-2013, 08:53 PM

NO way I'd let anyone just put an E-collar on my dog!

onyx'girl · 03-08-2013, 09:00 PM

Me neither. But I have trained my dog to e-collar and we did incorporate the sit means sit exercises into our training.

volcano · 03-08-2013, 09:24 PM

I dont think he harmed her, shes not soft. He demoed it on me and at 1,2,3 it made my hand muscle flex involuntarily, At 4 I could feel the buzz. But my girl is on a positive reinforcement as a puppy, we may transition to an ecollar but he was goofy putting it on a perfectly behaved, food driven, 13 week old puppy. He ensured me that sit means sit is the best ecollar training?
I viewed my breeders shutz class, and it turned me off to ecollar. The trainers dogs ecollar went dead, and he resorted to hitting his snout with the handle of the whip??? I got the impression that he uses the ecollar constantly and lets off the stimulus when the dog bites as a reward? It turned me off of his group.

Jag · 03-08-2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by volcano

I dont think he harmed her, shes not soft. He demoed it on me and at 1,2,3 it made my hand muscle flex involuntarily, At 4 I could feel the buzz. But my girl is on a positive reinforcement as a puppy, we may transition to an ecollar but he was goofy putting it on a perfectly behaved, food driven, 13 week old puppy. He ensured me that sit means sit is the best ecollar training?
I viewed my breeders shutz class, and it turned me off to ecollar. The trainers dogs ecollar went dead, and he resorted to hitting his snout with the handle of the whip??? I got the impression that he uses the ecollar constantly and lets off the stimulus when the dog bites as a reward? It turned me off of his group.

Wow! Neither place sounds good to me. Do you have other SchH groups in your area to check out?

GSD2 · 03-08-2013, 10:01 PM

I'm really glad you did not choose to train with the 'sit means sit' people. Hmmm, wonder why a discount if you sign up within 24 hours? Just sayin....I have a relative that used them, the experience was NOT good.....

volcano · 03-08-2013, 10:30 PM

Im going to view another shuz group this Monday, and its in the evening which is better for me. Then theres also a gsd training club but they require shots that I dont want to give my girl, lepto and kennel cough.

LouCastle · 03-09-2013, 07:12 PM

There are several threads here about this training franchise. Almost none of them have good reports. I strongly recommend AGAINST them.

Chicagocanine · 03-09-2013, 08:28 PM

Personally I wouldn't do Sit Means Sit, and definitely not for a puppy.

KSoloniewicz · 04-09-2013, 02:23 AM

Oh boy does that guy sound like an A*s! We've recently been looking into ecollar training for some long distance off lead stuff with Sarge. But know how to properly do it! I cant believe he just wanted to throw it on her! I've heard and seen way too many people who get trigger happy with the ecollar because they dont teach their dog with it/train them properly. my goodness. I'm surprised as to what passes for "trainers" these days.

I hope you find what youre looking for

your girl sounds smart
-Kirsten

03-08-2013, 08:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
volcano Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 431	Sit means sit I took my girl for a training demo today at my local sit means sit trainer, its a franchise. Th guy was very close to me so I found him on google. 1st thing he is waiting in front of his house witha big malinois, we greet each other and then he does a demo with his dog. It was ok, not super obedience but a good dog, at the time I didnt even know he was actively using the ecollar. So, he put his dog away and we brought out Apache. She got to know the room, then he played a bit of tug with her. And then got her using the touchpads and steps he had. When he told her out, he used his hand on her mouth, I showed him how she outs on command and is beyond that. Then he busted out the ecollar and tried to get her to follow him. It didnt quite work, and he was mostly luring with a gentle leash while she went between whining and scratching at the collar. He ignored her strong as **** food drive, and never used his voice as a marker. And then it got a bit salesy and they have packages, and theres a discount if you buy within 24 hours. I asked if he could let my pup socialize with his dogs and everything he said about his control went out the window and only one dog in his house could be with a pup. He brought out a fat female tall bulldog(I forget which bulldogs are which) My pup got her confidence on, it was fun to watch her try so hard to get this dog to play. She was pouncing in circles and bouncing at the big bulldog which wouldnt do anything but stand there. his own pet was shutdown IMO. NOPE! Last edited by volcano; 03-08-2013 at 08:41 PM.

03-08-2013, 08:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jag Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,683	NO way I'd let anyone just put an E-collar on my dog! __________________ Wrath of Grim z Dragon "Mr. Grim"- Threaten my handler. I dare you.

03-08-2013, 09:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
onyx'girl Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: SW, MI Posts: 21,201	Me neither. But I have trained my dog to e-collar and we did incorporate the sit means sit exercises into our training. __________________ Jane~ Kept by Onyx, Kacie and Gideon v Wildhaus aka Karlo

03-08-2013, 09:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
volcano Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 431	I dont think he harmed her, shes not soft. He demoed it on me and at 1,2,3 it made my hand muscle flex involuntarily, At 4 I could feel the buzz. But my girl is on a positive reinforcement as a puppy, we may transition to an ecollar but he was goofy putting it on a perfectly behaved, food driven, 13 week old puppy. He ensured me that sit means sit is the best ecollar training? I viewed my breeders shutz class, and it turned me off to ecollar. The trainers dogs ecollar went dead, and he resorted to hitting his snout with the handle of the whip??? I got the impression that he uses the ecollar constantly and lets off the stimulus when the dog bites as a reward? It turned me off of his group. Last edited by volcano; 03-08-2013 at 09:31 PM.

03-09-2013, 07:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
LouCastle Master Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 908	There are several threads here about this training franchise. Almost none of them have good reports. I strongly recommend AGAINST them. __________________ Regards, Lou Castle, Los Angeles, CA uncllou@aol.com www.loucastle.com

03-08-2013, 10:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
GSD2 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: California Posts: 188	I'm really glad you did not choose to train with the 'sit means sit' people. Hmmm, wonder why a discount if you sign up within 24 hours? Just sayin....I have a relative that used them, the experience was NOT good.....

03-08-2013, 10:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
volcano Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 431	Im going to view another shuz group this Monday, and its in the evening which is better for me. Then theres also a gsd training club but they require shots that I dont want to give my girl, lepto and kennel cough.

03-09-2013, 08:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chicagocanine Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,108	Personally I wouldn't do Sit Means Sit, and definitely not for a puppy. __________________ Chicago Canine Bianca HIC CGC TT (GSD) 4/24/04-10/23/12

04-09-2013, 02:23 AM	#10 (permalink)
KSoloniewicz New Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 22	Oh boy does that guy sound like an A*s! We've recently been looking into ecollar training for some long distance off lead stuff with Sarge. But know how to properly do it! I cant believe he just wanted to throw it on her! I've heard and seen way too many people who get trigger happy with the ecollar because they dont teach their dog with it/train them properly. my goodness. I'm surprised as to what passes for "trainers" these days. I hope you find what youre looking for your girl sounds smart -Kirsten

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