Advice Needed.

[LoveEcho]

[Jax08]

I"m sorry...in another thread you stated you were 18 years old. So in 1997 you would have been 3 years old. You trained a Boxer when you were 3 years old? Good Job! You must be a prodigy.

As far as being rude and human personalities...if you behave the way you do in "real life" you won't get far. You need to go back and read through your posts where you are the one that started arguing with people. We stated our opinions and you called us (me and Mikko) out by name to say what we were saying was "complete bull". Many of us on this thread that have responded are professionals with a higher education. There isn't a single person here who hasn't expanded their knowledge and learned something. I would advise you open your mind a little bit and not think you know everything.

[llombardo]

I had a hard time potty training mine too, but being consistent pays off. The crate is a God send. If a crate is used correctly, there is no need to yell at a dog for having an accident. Potty training falls on the human, if there is ever a screw up, it is the owners fault. I had to completely start over with mine, because my patience just stunk. Once I followed a schedule, became consistent, and watched mine like a hawk, it all clicked and she has done wonderful ever since. A crate is also a good place for most dogs to go if they want to relax. My GSD never liked her crate, but she got used to it. She now has full run of the house and I don't have to come home to a stinky mess. Who wants to let a dog that isn't potty trained to have access to the house? I could never live like that, the smell has to be nasty and you can only clean it so much before everything has to be replaced. Go with the crate and you will be satisfied with the results.

[JeanKBBMMMAAN]

Hattie/OP - what is that puppy?!??! I am seriously having a little squee fit here over him. His ears make me so happy.

So he holds it until he gets IN the house? To his potty pads? Is he proud of himself like look at me! I did it! Has there been any reward in the past for doing it there on the pads?

I have a dog that took 7.5 months to housetrain due to a brain injury, and had another dog take 5.5 months because of breed mix. And because I wasn't always tethering or crating - I would let them go play in another room and ta-da! Potties!

Pee pads can backfire. I just adopted out a dog who would pop a squat in her crate if I wasn't around to let her out - she had been trained on pee pads for quite a while (hadn't been in a yard actually!). She got better too. So there is hope that you can reverse this.

Another thing - boy dogs get crystals and stones - if he is only peeing in the house and not pooping, that might be something to think about. One thing that can get those things going are the grocery store treats with all the additives and colors - my aunt had a whole closet full of those for her Bichon puppy (they get those stones as a breed) and he developed stones. She stopped giving him those treats and voila - gone!

Anyway - those questions I asked - let us know and we can go from there, along with the ideas of crating and tethering. One last thing - if you have a friend with a dog, having them come over and mark the yard (whoa, the dog not the friend) while your pup is inside - or if it is a dog friendly dog that your pup would be okay with they can do it together maybe, lots of times they can learn by watching.

I am going to leave all the back and forth in this thread - some good links and information. Plus I think leaving some things out in the open are helpful when people go back and read comment histories.

[Jax08]

Originally Posted by JeanKBBMMMAAN

One last thing - if you have a friend with a dog, having them come over and mark the yard (whoa, the dog not the friend) while your pup is inside - or if it is a dog friendly dog that your pup would be okay with they can do it together maybe, lots of times they can learn by watching.

I never would have thought of that. You are brilliant, Jean!

[JeanKBBMMMAAN]

Why, you made my day!

Yep, one of the rare times in life that we hope for a peeing contest.

[Lilie]

Originally Posted by JeanKBBMMMAAN

. One last thing - if you have a friend with a dog, having them come over and mark the yard (whoa, the dog not the friend) while your pup is inside - or if it is a dog friendly dog that your pup would be okay with they can do it together maybe, lots of times they can learn by watching.

Wait....Are you saying that I could bring a friend over and have him potty IN the toilet and that could help train hubby to aim better?

Over thirty years of pounding him with a newspaper..to no avail. This...could...work....

[Marc]

Originally Posted by kelina

Before I seriously just leave this website for good, Just making a quick statement

-The advice I gave was actually what I taught my first dog, Worked fine. A boxer with total control on behavior, she was great! She listened to everything I said, She walked amazingly, She lived a happy life until forming cancer.. Anyway, I learned to scold at dogs for peeing and it never fired back at me, if it does then, awww thank you for the before-advice. But it hasn't since '97! So, I don't know what type of things people learned in this generation, but I was taught my way and my way only.. Just because you guys said "Oh don't scold" doesn't mean I'm going to listen because I was taught this and it always worked.

I never used a crate, As i said don't need to. Not everybody needs to 'crate' train. I don't even clicker train, oops. I guess i need puppy training because I make my own decisions for my OWN dogs.

My advice was to scold between peeing.. I'm not saying omg hit your dog quick! and you did point out if I did say when you come back home scold, but that was a mistake and i apologize for that.

Its funny how you say, I'm messing up my dogs. Thanks ! When i clearly wrote my dogs are house trained lol. good job with the comeback.

Now a bit advice on HUMAN PERSONALITIES :::: if you want people to agree with your post/statements/opinions please write this in a friendly matter and not try to attack anyone. Just for the future. Because try that in 'REAL LIFE' and you will get told so fast..

I wish i can literally delete my whole entire page but can't.

-Now i am FULLY leaving.

I must say this is a completely negative attitude, both in general and when it comes to dog training.

When we train our dogs, we need to understand why they are doing a certain behaviour, if your dogs are doing the right behaviour, then great, if your dogs are doing the wrong behaviour, find out WHY, and then attack the problem. I imagine it this way; If I have a serious physical problem that I know about (and is treatable), do I simply use pain killers to get rid of the pain? no, I attack the underliying issue regardles of what it is.

The same is true of our dog. The OP's dog, has an issue of ONLY peeing inside, this is INCORRECT behaviour and the root cause of it, is that the OP has inadvertantly taught the dog to only go to the toilet inside, by using pee pads (bad pee pads!!!!). Now, the op needs advice on how to train his dog out of this mode, and not simply scold the dog, for a behaviour that the OP has encouraged.

Before getting so defensive on a subject, try to see that people on this forum are trying to HELP YOU AND YOUR DOG by giving upto date advice and not simply tossing you ideas that "Worked for them". If your dogs are perfectly trained and completely obedient and you see no reason to grace us with your presence on this forum any longer, then I wish you the best in your future. However if you would like to stick around and expand your knowledge for YOUR OWN SAKE and the sake of YOUR DOG, then please try to be a little more respectful of other peoples knowledge and experience. If you dont agree with something, try to offer evidence, rather than saying "Thats what worked for me" because the majority of the time, it wont work for other people.

Now in order to address the issues of the OP, I will simply re-iterate what has already been said by some very knowledgable people on this forum, and explain why it is important.

1. Crate your puppy overnight.
Dogs HATE going to the toilet where they sleep, so if they are confined to a small area, they are more likely to hold it until morning. Once you do this, take your puppy out in the morning and take it straight to the spot where it is suppose to "Go". repeat this EVERY morning.

2. Tether your puppy to you during the day.
If your puppy is tied to you, you can see when it needs to go, and promptly take it outside, or if it goes when you dont realise, you can spot it, and interupt it abruptly. Try not to scare your dog, but make a noise so it thinks "WHAT THE **** WAS THAT?"

3. get rid of the pee pads.
They cause more harm than good and just make your home smell of amonia (to your dog). Make sure to get some odur newtraliser, so as to break down the amonia, from when you dog does go in the house.

4. Dont scold your dog, at all.
The reason NOT to scold, is two fold. Firstly, your dog may not make the association of going to the toilet, with the the scolding (especially if any amount of time has passed, for example a few moments), and secondly, even if he does, he may not realise that your only shouting at him for going inside, he might think that going to the toilet AT ALL is bad, and so will hide it from you (this is the worst case because if you cant find "accidents" and clean them promptly, your house will be covered in germs, which is no good for anyone).

5. (personal suggestion) Try leaving a few urine soaked tissues, in the spot (outside) where you want your dog to go.
This may or may not work, but if your dog smells the amonia from the tissues, he will automatically think that he needs to go. This is the same premise that pee pads use, so may work well for your dog, if he is already used to using pee pads.

6. VERY REGULAR toilet trips outside.
Until your pup realises he is suppose to go outside, you must take him outside VERY freaquently, and especially if you know he really needs to go, do not bring him into the house WAIT and wait, and wait, and wait, until he DOES go outside, until he cant hold it any longer, and when he goes, have treats and hugs and kisses ready. Hopefully this will lead him to believe that toileting outside is not only ok, but is fantastic!!!

I wish you the best of luck in your potty training.

[msvette2u]

The OP's dog, has an issue of ONLY peeing inside, this is INCORRECT behaviour and the root cause of it, is that the OP has inadvertantly taught the dog to only go to the toilet inside,

Good post Marc!
I wanted to add something that may help the OP and others - peeing is actually a "correct" or "normal" behavior for a dog.
Where you want it to pee is the issue.

I find scolding dogs for doing normal things to be pointless and detrimental.
Instead the concentration must be pointed to where you want the animal to do such-and-such or what you want the animal to chew on (for instance).
Both of those things are as normal to puppies and dogs as breathing, and thus, should not be scolded.

Instead, be a teacher to your puppy or dog - gently redirect from the couch to a kong toy, gently redirect from pottying inside to pottying outside.

Dogs are going to do what dogs are going to do - teaching them how and where we want it done is the key.

It's a paradigm shift, perhaps, but one folks must make

[martinaa]

As Marc implied, the puppy obviously has control if it can hold it through the walk until it gets back in the house. It 'just' needs retraining on how/when to excercise that control.

We had a somewhat similar issue with our current puppy. Only a few actual accidents in the house (primarily obsessive vigilance but yes, a crate is helpful as well). But he held that bladder until both his eyes and legs were crossed when he was in the approved doggy bathroom zone. All the while gazing longingly at the surrounding lawn. Turns out he had become accustomed to doing his thing on grass when he was at the breeder and our doggy bathroom has bark mulch. I transplanted a small chunk of grass into the middle of his bathroom and suddenly everything was easy.

Solving little canine riddles like that isn't always easy but it can be rewarding and is a lot better then unintentionally teaching him to hide his souvenirs in the closet of your spare bedroom.

Kelina is a fountain of bad advice. Ignore her.