Toilet training gone wrong - Page 3

jetscarbie · 01-27-2012, 06:31 AM

Poor puppy and poor owner.

Don't worry, it will get better.

You pretty much have to start over. She's still young, so it should be pretty easy.

The most important thing, IMO, is a schedule. Schedules with puppies are very important. Feed your puppy at the same time, every day. 3 x's. Morning, noon, and night. Split her daily feedings up into 3 smaller portions.
Lay the food down and give her a certain amount of time to eat it in.....if she doesn't, pick it up and try to give it to her again at her next scheduled feeding time. They usually have to potty 10-15 minutes after eating. Put her on a leash.......stand outside with her until she potties. It may take her awhile.
Sometimes my male will smell around for a few minutes before going. Just be patience...she will eventually go. When she does, give her a big party. Praise her and love on her.

When mine were pups, I would feed the last meal around 6. Then do the potty thing. Put the crate beside your bed. I would set the alarm every 2 hrs and take pup outside. Her bladder is still tiny, so she has to pee a lot. Eventually, she will hold it longer and longer. When you are taking her outside at night, use a flashlight and a leash. Just stand around and don't say anything to her...until she goes. Then give her praise.

You can look at it this way....now is a great time to teach her to only potty in a certain part of the yard. Put some of those used pee pads down out in the yard where you want her to go. Once she starts peeing there...you can remove the pads and maybe put some nice mulch down there. It will be nice when she gets older having her only use the bathroom in a certain spot.....instead of all over the yard.

Good luck.

JoMichelle · 01-27-2012, 11:56 AM

Thanks for your replies,

She is on a strict food schedule and has been since I got her. 8am, 1pm, 6pm. I don't drive so I don't have the option of her coming with me. I tried today to take her on the school run but it was a disaster lol. It was too noisy for her, too soon. She encountered the same huge bouncy lab that scared her a few days ago. She was so scared by everything going on she was shaked. I had to carry her

It also started to hail! It couldn't have been worse lol. She's now exhausted.

Regarding toilet training. I waited outside with her for an hour and 40 minutes this morning before she pee'd. She got lots of fuss. Then she had her lunch and 20 minutes later we went out and played for an hour. She didn't do anything. Came back in for 10 minutes, I turned around to get her lead and she pee'd on the floor

I turned around to get tissue to clean it up and she pooped! So today she's had 2 accidents inside and toileted outside twice.

It's still hailing and I'm sure she won't do anything outside when she wakes up.

Rua · 01-27-2012, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMichelle

Thanks for your replies,

She is on a strict food schedule and has been since I got her. 8am, 1pm, 6pm. I don't drive so I don't have the option of her coming with me. I tried today to take her on the school run but it was a disaster lol. It was too noisy for her, too soon. She encountered the same huge bouncy lab that scared her a few days ago. She was so scared by everything going on she was shaked. I had to carry her

It also started to hail! It couldn't have been worse lol. She's now exhausted.

Regarding toilet training. I waited outside with her for an hour and 40 minutes this morning before she pee'd. She got lots of fuss. Then she had her lunch and 20 minutes later we went out and played for an hour. She didn't do anything. Came back in for 10 minutes, I turned around to get her lead and she pee'd on the floor

I turned around to get tissue to clean it up and she pooped! So today she's had 2 accidents inside and toileted outside twice.

It's still hailing and I'm sure she won't do anything outside when she wakes up.

Oh no! I'm so sorry today was a bit disastrous for you both. Having a puppy is exhausting work - like having another baby in the house! That first week in particular, I honestly thought I was gonna crack up with my girl. I thought "something must be wrong with my puppy".. and "why isn't she 'getting' any of this potty training business"...and "dear God, the kids have just stepped in her poo accident and tracked it all over the house. NOOOOOOOOOOO!". I wished that Pampers did dog nappies. LOL Then suddenly something just clicked.

Big hugs! It will click with your girl too. Hang in there!

llombardo · 01-27-2012, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMichelle

Thanks for your replies,

She is on a strict food schedule and has been since I got her. 8am, 1pm, 6pm. I don't drive so I don't have the option of her coming with me. I tried today to take her on the school run but it was a disaster lol. It was too noisy for her, too soon. She encountered the same huge bouncy lab that scared her a few days ago. She was so scared by everything going on she was shaked. I had to carry her

It also started to hail! It couldn't have been worse lol. She's now exhausted.

Regarding toilet training. I waited outside with her for an hour and 40 minutes this morning before she pee'd. She got lots of fuss. Then she had her lunch and 20 minutes later we went out and played for an hour. She didn't do anything. Came back in for 10 minutes, I turned around to get her lead and she pee'd on the floor

I turned around to get tissue to clean it up and she pooped! So today she's had 2 accidents inside and toileted outside twice.

It's still hailing and I'm sure she won't do anything outside when she wakes up.

She peed outside twice...that is a start

I did find the rest of the post amusing because I've been in the same situation and I laugh about it now

JoMichelle · 01-28-2012, 01:29 PM

It is indeed exhausting! And looking back that post is quite amusing lol. Well yesterday didn't turn out great but we did have fun together (well I enjoyed being with her all day, I don't know what she thinks lol). I've found that the more time I spend with her (which is almost all of it anyway), the better things are. The toilet training is still all over the place. These dark nights make it so hard even with a torch. Outside is just way too interesting to think about going toilet lol.

Either way, I give up stressing and have accepted that my life, for now, involves a lot of cleaning up pee and poop. I'm just going to stick to what I'm doing now. I know it's the right thing to do as you have all advised me, and hopefully one day it will indeed just click.

Thank you all so much for your advice. This forum is such a huge help, and it makes things so much easier just knowing and hearing everyone else goes through much of the same thing and it all gets better. xxx

JoMichelle · 01-30-2012, 05:21 PM

Where had my sweet little bundle of fluff gone

Now I got a land shark with something to prove and who thinks her toilet is wherever she happens to be at the time!

She still refuses to go toilet outside. And at completely random times. She can hold it for 3 hours without a problem, the second she gets in her crate she releases.

The only progress we HAVE made is at night time, and that's only because she sleeps all night. I get up every 2 hours religiously, I've tried taking her outside but she refuses, inside on a puppy pad in the same place every night does work though. The only problem there is in the mornings. Say I get up for her at 6am and go back to bed for 1 hour. Usually she would hold it fine for that long, but as soon as the sun comes up she starts crying and going crazy in her crate. By the time I let her out about an hour later she has defecated and it is everywhere. I've been thinking she just wants to get out of the crate at that time and probably doesn't need the toilet. I've been ignoring her because I've been told to ignore when puppies cry or they won't learn to accept the crate. But perhaps she's crying because she knows she needs to toilet??

I don't know, but the only thing I was adamant I didn't want to do was to put her crate in my bedroom. It's going to be really awkward but I think I will try this for a few nights and see how it goes x

JoMichelle · 01-31-2012, 07:08 AM

I'm learning her whines and I've realised she whines in her crate AFTER she's toileted in it and is trying to squish into one side to avoid it. She only jumps and rolls in it when she can hear people around the house. I'm assuming then that she is learning, and that she doesn't enjoy sitting in her own mess but does it out of excitement when she thinks someone is coming to her?

We had a completely accident free night last night. I took her to toilet every 2 hours as usual, and I made sure I was up this morning before she was, as that is the worst time. If she's awake in her crate in the mornings for any amount of time she will poop.

She's had accidents in the house today, as always. But I feel like there's a little bit of progress? We went on a 2 mile walk this morning so I'm hoping she won't be in crazy puppy mode all day too.

x

JoMichelle · 03-07-2012, 04:44 PM

Just a quick update on this situation - Winter is now 4 months old. I completely get now why people say puppy pads are a bad idea. The minute we got rid of those and started over again things improved ten fold. I've been trying to teach Winter to "speak" when she wants to go outside to toilet. Today I was lazing on the sofa and she came over to me and barked and led me to the backdoor. She had needed the toilet. I was so happy I almost cried. It's been 2-3 weeks since we completely started from scratch with toilet training, I can't believe how fast these dogs learn!

Rua · 03-07-2012, 05:16 PM

YAY! Well done for persevering! That's so great you've taught her to speak to use the loo. Excellent work!

JoMichelle · 03-07-2012, 05:35 PM

Thanks Rua, and it's all thanks to you wonderful people on this forum. We haven't had a single accident in over 2 weeks, I don't need to get up during the night anymore and she does not mess in her crate at all anymore, even on the days I am out and the dog walker visits

01-27-2012, 06:31 AM	#21 (permalink)
jetscarbie Master Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 746	Poor puppy and poor owner. Don't worry, it will get better. You pretty much have to start over. She's still young, so it should be pretty easy. The most important thing, IMO, is a schedule. Schedules with puppies are very important. Feed your puppy at the same time, every day. 3 x's. Morning, noon, and night. Split her daily feedings up into 3 smaller portions. Lay the food down and give her a certain amount of time to eat it in.....if she doesn't, pick it up and try to give it to her again at her next scheduled feeding time. They usually have to potty 10-15 minutes after eating. Put her on a leash.......stand outside with her until she potties. It may take her awhile. Sometimes my male will smell around for a few minutes before going. Just be patience...she will eventually go. When she does, give her a big party. Praise her and love on her. When mine were pups, I would feed the last meal around 6. Then do the potty thing. Put the crate beside your bed. I would set the alarm every 2 hrs and take pup outside. Her bladder is still tiny, so she has to pee a lot. Eventually, she will hold it longer and longer. When you are taking her outside at night, use a flashlight and a leash. Just stand around and don't say anything to her...until she goes. Then give her praise. You can look at it this way....now is a great time to teach her to only potty in a certain part of the yard. Put some of those used pee pads down out in the yard where you want her to go. Once she starts peeing there...you can remove the pads and maybe put some nice mulch down there. It will be nice when she gets older having her only use the bathroom in a certain spot.....instead of all over the yard. Good luck.

01-27-2012, 11:56 AM	#22 (permalink)
JoMichelle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 200	Thanks for your replies, She is on a strict food schedule and has been since I got her. 8am, 1pm, 6pm. I don't drive so I don't have the option of her coming with me. I tried today to take her on the school run but it was a disaster lol. It was too noisy for her, too soon. She encountered the same huge bouncy lab that scared her a few days ago. She was so scared by everything going on she was shaked. I had to carry her It also started to hail! It couldn't have been worse lol. She's now exhausted. Regarding toilet training. I waited outside with her for an hour and 40 minutes this morning before she pee'd. She got lots of fuss. Then she had her lunch and 20 minutes later we went out and played for an hour. She didn't do anything. Came back in for 10 minutes, I turned around to get her lead and she pee'd on the floor I turned around to get tissue to clean it up and she pooped! So today she's had 2 accidents inside and toileted outside twice. It's still hailing and I'm sure she won't do anything outside when she wakes up.

01-28-2012, 01:29 PM	#25 (permalink)
JoMichelle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 200	It is indeed exhausting! And looking back that post is quite amusing lol. Well yesterday didn't turn out great but we did have fun together (well I enjoyed being with her all day, I don't know what she thinks lol). I've found that the more time I spend with her (which is almost all of it anyway), the better things are. The toilet training is still all over the place. These dark nights make it so hard even with a torch. Outside is just way too interesting to think about going toilet lol. Either way, I give up stressing and have accepted that my life, for now, involves a lot of cleaning up pee and poop. I'm just going to stick to what I'm doing now. I know it's the right thing to do as you have all advised me, and hopefully one day it will indeed just click. Thank you all so much for your advice. This forum is such a huge help, and it makes things so much easier just knowing and hearing everyone else goes through much of the same thing and it all gets better. xxx

01-30-2012, 05:21 PM	#26 (permalink)
JoMichelle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 200	Where had my sweet little bundle of fluff gone Now I got a land shark with something to prove and who thinks her toilet is wherever she happens to be at the time! She still refuses to go toilet outside. And at completely random times. She can hold it for 3 hours without a problem, the second she gets in her crate she releases. The only progress we HAVE made is at night time, and that's only because she sleeps all night. I get up every 2 hours religiously, I've tried taking her outside but she refuses, inside on a puppy pad in the same place every night does work though. The only problem there is in the mornings. Say I get up for her at 6am and go back to bed for 1 hour. Usually she would hold it fine for that long, but as soon as the sun comes up she starts crying and going crazy in her crate. By the time I let her out about an hour later she has defecated and it is everywhere. I've been thinking she just wants to get out of the crate at that time and probably doesn't need the toilet. I've been ignoring her because I've been told to ignore when puppies cry or they won't learn to accept the crate. But perhaps she's crying because she knows she needs to toilet?? I don't know, but the only thing I was adamant I didn't want to do was to put her crate in my bedroom. It's going to be really awkward but I think I will try this for a few nights and see how it goes x

01-31-2012, 07:08 AM	#27 (permalink)
JoMichelle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 200	I'm learning her whines and I've realised she whines in her crate AFTER she's toileted in it and is trying to squish into one side to avoid it. She only jumps and rolls in it when she can hear people around the house. I'm assuming then that she is learning, and that she doesn't enjoy sitting in her own mess but does it out of excitement when she thinks someone is coming to her? We had a completely accident free night last night. I took her to toilet every 2 hours as usual, and I made sure I was up this morning before she was, as that is the worst time. If she's awake in her crate in the mornings for any amount of time she will poop. She's had accidents in the house today, as always. But I feel like there's a little bit of progress? We went on a 2 mile walk this morning so I'm hoping she won't be in crazy puppy mode all day too. x

03-07-2012, 04:44 PM	#28 (permalink)
JoMichelle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 200	Just a quick update on this situation - Winter is now 4 months old. I completely get now why people say puppy pads are a bad idea. The minute we got rid of those and started over again things improved ten fold. I've been trying to teach Winter to "speak" when she wants to go outside to toilet. Today I was lazing on the sofa and she came over to me and barked and led me to the backdoor. She had needed the toilet. I was so happy I almost cried. It's been 2-3 weeks since we completely started from scratch with toilet training, I can't believe how fast these dogs learn!

03-07-2012, 05:16 PM	#29 (permalink)
Rua Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 296	YAY! Well done for persevering! That's so great you've taught her to speak to use the loo. Excellent work!

03-07-2012, 05:35 PM	#30 (permalink)
JoMichelle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 200	Thanks Rua, and it's all thanks to you wonderful people on this forum. We haven't had a single accident in over 2 weeks, I don't need to get up during the night anymore and she does not mess in her crate at all anymore, even on the days I am out and the dog walker visits

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