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Old 11-16-2010, 09:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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EXCELLENT VIDEO!!! Look how frequently and fast she's using the food!


Also shows why treats are NOT bribes but vital tools in training!

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Old 11-16-2010, 10:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Only got to watch the first one but very good video! You simply can't get that with correction based training. I love the little Mal pup-pup too
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:04 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Great videos and an excellent example of how to train a puppy with food. One thing you hear Ellis says over and over again is if the dog is not engaged with you, if you have to call the dog to you, then he is not ready for training.
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That is a great video. Super illustration, as you mentioned of the rate of reward.

I think it often hard for people to understand just how fast you need to reward at first. I used to set a timer for a minute and try to see how many reward events I could get in. Frequency is very important at first!
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She is teaching obedience and this is how I do it to except I use strips of food and not bits. This is why I start training obedience so early. It's so easy.
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Very cool, i havent seen his vids before, is it better to train with just food and engagement than clicker & treats? Personal opinions of course. This is what ive been using so far.
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I wouldn't say that one is "better" than the other. They are very similar techniques -- one uses a mechanical marker (the clicker) and the other uses a verbal marker ( the word "yes"). I prefer the verbal marker as I always have my voice with me, but it you are new to dog training, the clicker is a wonderful tool also.
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I prefer to use a verbal marker as well, although the clicker is really great due to the consistency, and the fact there is no human emotions involved at all. Great videos! love love love Michal Ellis!!!
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I saw that video last week and it inspired me to buy the Michael Ellis dvd- my 10 mo old male is having a serious case of the "I don't want to's", hopefully this fun and rewarding training will help.
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I like using the clicker cause it reminds ME to reward with the food. Problem with me and just verbals is I tend to talk/chat/praise all the time, so kind of muddies the training waters with the THAT was what I wanted and NOW you get the reward. So the clicker makes me become a better trainer (which is amazily better for my puppies ).

It's the same idea though. Look at the puppy and it's attitude/engagement with the training. That's the goal and if you are getting that crazy attention and drive towards yourself and the training, and it continues as the puppy ages, then you are on the right track.
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