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Old 08-11-2014, 09:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Kam surprised me on a blind track tonight. He indicated the glove with a paw swipe and nose drop. When I didn't pick up on his hint, he grabbed the glove. Anyone know what happens if you tell the judge your dog will point out and then they pick up?
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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For an AKC tracking test, you don't have to tell the judge how your dog indicates, and they are not supposed to ask your dogs indication. As long as YOU can tell the dog has found the article(s), you're fine. From what I understand, dogs can indicate with anything from a subtle head bob, to downing, to retrieving the article.

Now, for IPO tracking, you DO have to tell the judge your dog's indication, and you will lose points if they do an indication other than what you say.
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Hmm . . I thought you had to say point out or pick up. Guess I'm just losin it. Thanks for the info.
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For an AKC tracking test, you don't have to tell the judge how your dog indicates, and they are not supposed to ask your dogs indication. As long as YOU can tell the dog has found the article(s), you're fine. From what I understand, dogs can indicate with anything from a subtle head bob, to downing, to retrieving the article.

Now, for IPO tracking, you DO have to tell the judge your dog's indication, and you will lose points if they do an indication other than what you say.
IPO, you either say your dog will indicate or retrieve. You don't have to specify HOW the dog will indicate.
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IPO, you either say your dog will indicate or retrieve. You don't have to specify HOW the dog will indicate.
Correct, and no, you don't get extra points if, in trial, your dog decides to first retrieve the object show it to you, drop it, and THEN indicate on it.

I guess Keeta could tell that it was a trial and wanted to be extra thorough . . .
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Old 08-12-2014, 07:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Too funny!
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IPO, you either say your dog will indicate or retrieve. You don't have to specify HOW the dog will indicate.

Yes, you are correct. It is better to just say the dog will indicate, instead of saying a specific indication, like a down, only to have the dog sit, instead. You will lose points if that happens.


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Personally I would teach your dog to either sit or down to indicate the article. You will have a much more solid indication, especially if you go on to do the TDX, and far less chance of a mistake. I don't care for the retrieve or having the dog pick up the article. OK, I guess for the TD, where you only have one article, but makes restarts far more difficult when dealing with multiple articles.

Yes, in IPO your dog either indicates or retrieves and that is all you must tell the judge.
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Old 08-12-2014, 02:34 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Thanks for your input Lisa. We have been working on a down indication. He's not 100%, but he did give me a solid indication. Hard swipe, looked at me, then nose bop. Inevitably thought to himself, "geez, she's not getting it" and retrieved.

Fwiw, we were tracking in a small field. I thought for certain the tracklayer would use all of the space and leave the glove at the far side. Instead, he left it smack dab in the center of the field. Guess that's what I get for anticipating the location of the glove and not reading my dog.
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