I feel like we are not getting this right. - German Shepherd Dog Forums

Increase font size: 0, 10, 25, 50%

GermanShepherds.com is the premier German Shepherd Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 02-21-2014, 03:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
Master Member
 
Kaimeju's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Washington
Posts: 643
Default I feel like we are not getting this right.

So far we have had 3 sessions with a tracking club and I practice 2-3x a week at home. We are doing 70 yards with bait every 4-5 feet or so. These are single-laid tracks on short grass that are blind for the dog, but not the handler. Next week we start turns. This is all well and good. I feel like my dog is not actually tracking, though. I think she is just looking for the bait visually, or possibly air-scenting. She doesn't move in a straight line and if she can't see the bait, she gets confused and starts turning in circles looking for it. She misses a lot of the bait even if she gets to the end of the track unless it is something very obvious like pieces of white cheese. I always start in a down before the track and point out where it starts. I don't see her "take off" after scent like I do with a friend's dog that I handle. Usually when she gets closer to the article, I do see a positive indication from her body language.

She knows how to use her nose to find articles. If I hide them in the yard she can solve that puzzle fairly easily, no bait required. I am starting to see something similar when we practice tracking. For instance if there is a track with one turn, she will try to cross the diagonal to get to the article instead of following the turn. I don't think she can see the article so she must be smelling its scent cone somehow.

I'm wondering if I'm not doing something right. Should I be using more bait? Less? Part of me thinks I should not be obsessing about the track at all and just keep making it harder for her to find the article, making sure to lay a straight track and maybe double-back on it.

I will ask my instructor, but I think I know her idea: she said to restart the dog at the point where they last had scent. She also wants us to keep a very short leash and not allow them to stray from the track. Well, if we did that we would be restarting every 10 feet so I feel like something must be fundamentally missing. If I try to guide my dog physically where the track is, she gets frustrated and lies down.
__________________
Gypsy Rose Lee
Kaimeju is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 02-21-2014, 09:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
Knighted Member
 
Mary Beth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Pierre, South Dakota
Posts: 2,634
Default

Since Gypsy is getting frustrated, maybe it would help to back off a bit and take a break. Focus instead on what she likes doing - finding the hidden objects in the yard, and like you said - make it harder for her to find them.
__________________
Sting Chance von Gaard AKC GSD 2/8/2006
Mary Beth is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-21-2014, 09:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
onyx'girl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SW, MI
Posts: 24,162
Default

You are asking for too much if she's shutting down. Did you do scent boxes to introduce the difference between crushed vegetation and undisturbed cover? What type tracking are you doing? IPO? Does the instructor watch you lay your track and walk it with you when you run your dog? Articles already after three classes? Sorry for all the questions....
__________________
Jane~
Kept by Onyx, Kacie and Karlo
onyx'girl is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-21-2014, 10:38 PM   #4 (permalink)
Knighted Member
 
mycobraracr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 2,231
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by onyx'girl View Post
You are asking for too much if she's shutting down. Did you do scent boxes to introduce the difference between crushed vegetation and undisturbed cover? What type tracking are you doing? IPO? Does the instructor watch you lay your track and walk it with you when you run your dog? Articles already after three classes? Sorry for all the questions....

I also think you're doing too much too soon. I prefer to break my tacks up while the dog is learning. That way I can stop on a good note before the dog quits. So instead of 70 yards, I will lay three 20 yard tracks and go as long as the dog is still driving.
mycobraracr is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-22-2014, 09:39 AM   #5 (permalink)
Master Member
 
Kaimeju's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Washington
Posts: 643
Default

We started with articles on the track- I think the idea was having a sock and a glove mark the beginning and end would give them a reference point. We are doing AKC classes. The instructor tried hard to watch us and give feedback, but since our class meets the same time as the main tracking club, other people vye for her attention. This was supposed to be a 4 week intro course so I don't think it was meant to be super serious, just to give people an idea of what tracking is about.

We have never done scent boxes but that sounds like it would help. Can you explain how to do it?

I also feel like we are moving too fast and I would rather get a good foundation going so she doesn't burn out! She really loves tracking. I think she is mainly frustrated because she doesn't know what's expected, and I would like to make things easy so she can succeed.


Sent from Petguide.com Free App
__________________
Gypsy Rose Lee
Kaimeju is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-27-2014, 11:44 AM   #6 (permalink)
Master Member
 
Kaimeju's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Washington
Posts: 643
Default

Okay, had our instructor watch us do a 60 yard straight track that someone else laid. She said my dog was doing fine and I should actually move to a long line so that she can get farther out in front of me and do her own work. Apparently I am hovering too much. Also I need to let my tracks age longer and do shorter tracks before moving on to more difficult stuff. It all makes sense and I'm glad we got that sorted out.
__________________
Gypsy Rose Lee
Kaimeju is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the German Shepherd Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:12 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
PetGuide.com
Basset.net DobermanTalk.com GoldenRetrieverForum.com OurBeagleWorld.com
BoxerForums.com DogForums.com GoPitbull.com PoodleForum.com
BulldogBreeds.com FishForums.com HavaneseForum.com SpoiledMaltese.com
CatForum.com GermanShepherds.com Labradoodle-dogs.net YorkieForum.com
Chihuahua-People.com RetrieverBreeds.com