Want to become a breeder. - Page 5

**Liesje** · 07-04-2012, 10:43 AM

History has proven that the standard is open to some pretty interesting "improvements".

Freestep · 07-04-2012, 10:48 AM

Well, if the meaning of "improvement" has been so twisted and distorted that it is code for "making freakish", then I guess we need to either take the word back, or find another term that doesn't raise everyone's hackles.

"Bringing closer to the standard" is awfully wordy.

**Liesje** · 07-04-2012, 11:49 AM

So when you are looking for a breeder or new dog, "improve" is a keyword you are looking for?

Freestep · 07-04-2012, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liesje

So when you are looking for a breeder or new dog, "improve" is a keyword you are looking for?

I don't look for keywords. Anyone can say anything. If I think a breeder is truly striving to better the breed (ie, bring it closer to the standard) then I would tend to trust them.

Oscar101 · 07-04-2012, 01:02 PM

So how could you bring a dog's litter closer to the standard?

qbchottu · 07-04-2012, 01:10 PM

Just curious, what is your dog's pedigree?

cliffson1 · 07-04-2012, 01:20 PM

Like I said Oscar, get one of the books I mentioned and take the time to read. Then you don't have to take anyone's opinion; on what is like what you read in the book....including my opinion. You don't need advanced degrees to get a good idea of what the breed should be.....there are still great dogs and great breeders out there. So you just need to be familiar with the crucial elements.....and I think all of those books will give you insight into these things.
From there you can develop relationships and become a mentee to someone who is trying to preserve the legacy of the breed. These things are necessary to have in place before you think of breeding.....and if you do these things you will understand the importance of this foundation.

**Liesje** · 07-04-2012, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freestep

Anyone can say anything.

Precisely.

So what one person might call "improving the breed" another might call "breeding to produce good quality dogs to hold back and train". Same thing but one gets a thumbs up and the other is considered selfish....? That question is not directed at you personally but just the general attitude of these threads.

Oscar101 · 07-04-2012, 01:30 PM

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cliffson1 · 07-04-2012, 01:36 PM

Oscar, there are no shortcuts in this breed. There are a lot of breeders who have taken shortcuts, and the breed reflects it. I want to make it clear that an ordinary owner does not need to do all the things outlined. BUT you said you wanted to maybe breed....well to be a good breeder takes knowledge and commitment. The breeders of today are very diverse....some breeding GS that are exemplary examples of what the breed should be physically, mentally, and healthwise. So in order to discern this, you need to educate yourself, then observe what is out there. Many breeders are only familiar with the type of GS they are breeding. You want to be knowledgable about reasonable expectations of a working dog if you want to be a respected breeder. So please do your due diligence.

07-04-2012, 10:43 AM	#41 (permalink)
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07-04-2012, 11:49 AM	#43 (permalink)
Liesje Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 16,278	So when you are looking for a breeder or new dog, "improve" is a keyword you are looking for? __________________ Liesje & the K9s Nikon (GSD) U-CH SG Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 KKL T1 FO PA TF-III FDCh-S CL1-R UJJ U-CA HIT TT CGC Coke (All-American) VPC's Coca-Cola CGC, couch warmer extraordinaire Indy (All-American) Blue Horizon's Indigo Girl, flyball star in training Rainbow Bridge Kenya (GSD) U-CH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop CL1-R CL1-F RA HIT TDI TT CGC vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs

07-04-2012, 10:48 AM	#42 (permalink)
Freestep Crowned Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,158	Well, if the meaning of "improvement" has been so twisted and distorted that it is code for "making freakish", then I guess we need to either take the word back, or find another term that doesn't raise everyone's hackles. "Bringing closer to the standard" is awfully wordy.

07-04-2012, 01:02 PM	#45 (permalink)
Oscar101 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 76	So how could you bring a dog's litter closer to the standard?

07-04-2012, 01:10 PM	#46 (permalink)
qbchottu Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,714	Just curious, what is your dog's pedigree?

07-04-2012, 01:20 PM	#47 (permalink)
cliffson1 Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,879	Like I said Oscar, get one of the books I mentioned and take the time to read. Then you don't have to take anyone's opinion; on what is like what you read in the book....including my opinion. You don't need advanced degrees to get a good idea of what the breed should be.....there are still great dogs and great breeders out there. So you just need to be familiar with the crucial elements.....and I think all of those books will give you insight into these things. From there you can develop relationships and become a mentee to someone who is trying to preserve the legacy of the breed. These things are necessary to have in place before you think of breeding.....and if you do these things you will understand the importance of this foundation.

07-04-2012, 01:30 PM	#49 (permalink)
Oscar101 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 76	Dad- KING THUNDER VON YAMINAE DN23849705 (04-11) Mom- HAZE BOWMAN DN25821801 (04-11)

07-04-2012, 01:36 PM	#50 (permalink)
cliffson1 Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,879	Oscar, there are no shortcuts in this breed. There are a lot of breeders who have taken shortcuts, and the breed reflects it. I want to make it clear that an ordinary owner does not need to do all the things outlined. BUT you said you wanted to maybe breed....well to be a good breeder takes knowledge and commitment. The breeders of today are very diverse....some breeding GS that are exemplary examples of what the breed should be physically, mentally, and healthwise. So in order to discern this, you need to educate yourself, then observe what is out there. Many breeders are only familiar with the type of GS they are breeding. You want to be knowledgable about reasonable expectations of a working dog if you want to be a respected breeder. So please do your due diligence.

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