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Old 01-01-2010, 06:45 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It depends on the gender of the primary noun in the kennel name. Not the gender of the dog or owners of the kennel.

Von is correct for use with feminine nouns. Vom, which is actually a contraction of von and dem, is correct for use with masculine or neuter nouns.

For example our kennel name is Wildhaus. Haus is the noun. Haus is neuter. Therefore voM Wildhaus is correct and voN Wildhaus would be incorrect grammar.
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Old 01-01-2010, 06:49 PM   #12 (permalink)
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"Von" is not the; the is "die", "der", or "das" (and "den" or "dem" depending on the use in prepositional phrases).
I was just using "the" as an example. But probably good thing you clarified, I can see I might have confused people. .
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Lucia, your examples were great. I was responding to this...

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Originally Posted By: WolfenI was under the impression that "vom" means of and "von" means the
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Unlike English, German assigns gender to its nouns. There are three possible genders - feminine, masculine, and neuter. The only way to learn which word is which gender is to learn the vocabulary along with the gender so you will get it right. For example -

der Tisch - the table - masculine ("der")
das Haus - the house - neuter ("das")
die Katze - the cat - feminine ("die")

This is important to know before you ever think about whether it should be "von" or "vom" because it plays a role in that.

"Von" and "vom" both translate to "of" or "from" in English because they are actually the same word used with nouns of different genders. Example -

Abby vom Haus Schmitt - Abby of/from House Schmitt
It has to be "vom" because "vom" is a contraction of "von dem". It has to be "dem" because that is the dative case of "das" in "das Haus".

Abby von den Blauen Bergen - Abby from the Blue Mountains
It has to be "von den" because "Bergen" is plural (it's generally "von den" if there is a plural involved)

The word "von" is not influenced by the gender of the dog, but the gender of the kennel name.

If your kennel name is, for example, "Haus Mueller" it needs to be "vom" because it is "das Haus" and Mueller is a name.

If your kennel name is, for example, "Leerburg", it would be "von Leerburg" because Leerburg is a name, not a word.

If your kennel name is, for example, "Blaue Berge", it would be "von den Blauen Bergen" because it is plural.

If your kennel name is, for example, "Blauer Berg", it would be "vom Blauen Berg" because it's singular and "der Berg", masculine.
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So moral of the story - check with a fluent German speaker to make sure that you use the correct grammar when coming up with a kennel name!
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Quote:So moral of the story - check with a fluent German speaker to make sure that you use the correct grammar when coming up with a kennel name!
Or you will end up with something like "vom Schwarze-Hunde" and those of us who speak German will point and laugh.
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Thank you all so much, I'll check with everyone when the time comes.
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great advice.

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Originally Posted By: CastlemaidSo moral of the story - check with a fluent German speaker to make sure that you use the correct grammar when coming up with a kennel name!
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I love learning things like this, so informative.
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Quote:So moral of the story - check with a fluent German speaker to make sure that you use the correct grammar when coming up with a kennel name!
Or you will end up with something like "vom Schwarze-Hunde" and those of us who speak German will point and laugh.

Or you have just solved your dog's gender confusion!
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