Mandatory Spay and Neutering

[Draugr]

Originally Posted by mycobraracr

This is interesting. I just registered my puppy today and they didn't say anything about this. Hmm.... I guess I will have to tittle her in something.

It could be something that is no longer enforced, maybe? I don't know.

[Debbieg]

In San Joaquin County CA, I pay 3 times as much each year for keeping Benny intact. (He had his retained testicle removed only. )

We have a mandatory spay/neuter for Pit Bulls and to comply with this we convinced our son to have his 5 year old pit and best friend neutered. He had already been fined and the dog would have been taken.

His dog died 5 days after surgery from hemophilia, even though we emptied our savings on transfusions.

This dog was not being bred, had never shown any aggression to anyone,

My son is still not over the loss

It makes me rethink being a law abiding citizen.

Irresponsible dog owners cause the government to micro manage and ruin things for the rest of us human and canine.

[Jessiewessie99]

Blame the idiots who don't know how be responsible.

[Emoore]

Originally Posted by Debbieg

His dog died 5 days after surgery from hemophilia, even though we emptied our savings on transfusions.

Wish i could remember who it was the other day who was saying he didn't want to pay for pre-surgical bloodwork. I'd like to send him this. He said the bloodwork was just a way for the vets to charge more money.

I'm so sorry about your son's dog.

[Debbieg]

Originally Posted by Emoore

Wish i could remember who it was the other day who was saying he didn't want to pay for pre-surgical bloodwork. I'd like to send him this. He said the bloodwork was just a way for the vets to charge more money.

I'm so sorry about your son's dog.

It was not about the money.

The vet had not recommended any pre surgical bloodwork and I did not know enough at the time to ask for it. It was just "Sign this and pick him up at $4.00. The vet felt very bad. She told me later that in 20 years of practice she had never seen hemophilia or other clotting issues in a pit bull, but where as they are so common in dobies that she won't do surgery on one without the testing.

When I had Benny's retained testicle removed we had pre op testing done the week prior. It was only $60.

Two days at the ER vet and blood transfusions cost a whole lot more. The emotional loss to my son will never be paid. We just learn from our mistakes and move on.

Do shelters or low cost speuter clinics do pre op testing?

[Emoore]

Originally Posted by Debbieg

It was not about the money.

The vet had not recommended any pre surgical bloodwork and I did not know enough at the time to ask for it. It was just "Sign this and pick him up at $4.00.

I know, I didn't mean to imply that it was. I figured your son had probably gone to a place that didn't offer the bloodwork or simply didn't know about it. The person I was talking about was offered the blood work and was planning to turn it down because he thought it's just another way for vets to make $$$.

Originally Posted by Debbieg

Do shelters or low cost speuter clinics do pre op testing?

Some of the clinics I've been to offer it at extra cost. Some don't offer it at all. I've also pulled from some shelters that offered it for an extra fee. I imagine it's different for every location.

[2GSDmom]

No one has the right to vandalize anyone else's property---that is the law---let alone mandate that someone do it to their own property! Mandatory S/N is unlawful and it should be abolished on those grounds alone.

As for whether it's a good idea---I think that's a self-evident "NO". Not only is it a BAD idea, it's a bad idea for multiple reasons, not the least, the health and well-being of the animal. As for deciding which animals are worthy to be breeding stock is not up to the law or any other to decide--only the owner of the animal can make that call (or nature). Biodiversity is not just a catch-phrase. It applies to dogs, too.

As for intact animals costing more to license--@3%$^!!!---That's adding insult to injury. There is absolutely no justification for it. What--Intact dogs poop more? Really? Give me a break.

By the by---All mine are S/N. (But, the future ones...that is still TBD).

[GSD2]

Originally Posted by Draugr

New Ordinance Introduction Page - Department of Animal Care & Control

Found this, seems it is for the whole county (although how well enforced, who knows).
If you get caught, and don't "correct" the "problem" within 30 days, you go to jail. Misdemeanor. Criminal record for trying to make an educated decision about what's best for your dog's health...remind me never to move to LA county. They have a link to the exemption form, it's pretty ridiculously restrictive.

In looking at the law they do have a list of which cities this law affects, lucky for me my town isn't effected by this law, although it is in effect for 'restricted breeds' pits and rotts I assume as I did find the law in my town for mandatory spay/neuter for those two breeds. Wow!! Looks like I came close to going to jail I think I'd have to move rather than let them spay my girl at 4 months old, crazy. I think it would be very hard to find a vet to write a medical exemption even to wait until the dog was 2 years old.

[Thomas Roesen]

Opinions vary, and are many on this matter it seems.

Check out the pros and cons of spaying and neutering in this short article:

Raising German Shepherds

I hope this simplifies the choice for you.

Best regards,
// Thomas

[selzer]

Originally Posted by Thomas Roesen

Opinions vary, and are many on this matter it seems.

Check out the pros and cons of spaying and neutering in this short article:

Raising German Shepherds

I hope this simplifies the choice for you.

Best regards,
// Thomas

From that site,
Pros and Cons of Spaying And Neutering
Feb 07, 2012
by Thomas Roesen
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There are plus points and negative ones to the side of spaying and neutering and before you get your German Shepherd spayed or neutered, it would be wise to read what we have researched for you and then take a call for the same.
Lets first talk about the benefits of spaying;

1. Pregnancy risks are done away with when the dog is spayed
2. Spaying helps the dog remain calm and clean
3. Spaying also keeps the dog healthy and fit for all their lives

Now let us tell you about the negative aspects about spaying;

1. When you spay the dog once and plan on having a litter later, it cannot be done since the process is irreversible.
2. Your German Shepherd can gain a lot of unhealthy weight, because it would eat a lot and not have enough to burn excess calories.
3. The German Shepherd turns out to be a lazy dog in the long run, and if you don’t want an inactive German Shepherd as a pet, spaying is not an option for you.

Having given you the positives and negatives about spaying, we would now like to speak to you about the pros and cons of neutering.
The positive aspects of neutering;

1. No more risks for your German Shepherd to get pregnant
2. The German Shepherd would be a calm dog all his or her life
3. The German Shepherd would be a healthy dog for all its life

Negative aspects of neutering;

1. Sterilization of the German Shepherd would mean no more litters from her anymore ever.
2. The German Shepherds appearance could change
3. Unwanted weight gain on the German Shepherd
4. The dog becomes uncannily quiet

So folks, these are the pros and cons of spaying and neutering respectively. It would thus be wise for you to do more research on the two before you think of getting your German Shepherd undergoing through any of them.


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There is not a single point, positive or negative that I agree with, not even the first one, because there have been cases where the spay was done incompletely and all kinds of pregnancy complications happened. Except that once you spay your bitch you can no longer pro-create with her, and it is irreversible.



I particularly disagree with the idea that the dog will be healthy and fit for the rest of their lives. So what does that mean exactly? The dog will be at its ideal weight, perfectly muscular, and will be perfectly healthy for 12 to 14 years and then drop dead? Where do I stand in line?



There are many dogs out there that are altered and not overweight. And the jury is out about health concerns pros and cons.



I really thought this had to be typed out here for those who do not follow links.