Black. What is he? DDR, West German working, Czech, mixture, etc...?

shadmuffin07 · 06-06-2011, 03:56 PM

Hello all!
I am wondering what other enthusiasts/experts believe the lineage of this beautiful black male shepherd could be. He is a wonderful working dog, and was very easy to train-high intelligence/desire to please/drives. He has solid nerves, even temperament-aloof and wary, but since he was raised by a child he is very friendly and accepting, great balanced drives-not a huge ball fanatic, but his civil, food, and prey drives are extremely high. He also is very dominant-thinks he has to be the boss of other dogs and wont back down lol. Again, he is VERY protective, but not overly protective-controlled. He is about 28 inches at the withers and about 95-100 lbs. Please, feel free to ask me other questions about anything if that would help you make your decision. Thank you sooo much!

Catu · 06-06-2011, 04:01 PM

could you post a pedigree link?

shadmuffin07 · 06-06-2011, 04:08 PM

Hi! thanks for your quick reply! oh Im sorry, He was adopted from a shelter when he was 5 months with no pedigree of course. The only info that we were able to get was that he was started in protection training and that the previous owners had to move because of bankruptcy-we were not able to get any other info

Emoore · 06-06-2011, 04:10 PM

"He is about 28 inches at the withers and about 95-100 lbs."

This leads me to think he's not DDR, since in general they tend to be shorter and kind of squatty.

shadmuffin07 · 06-06-2011, 04:17 PM

Thanks! Yes he is on the large size, and wow I did not know that about DDR bloodlines, thank you-I was chatting with a trainer over the weekend and he thinks czech

wolfstraum · 06-06-2011, 04:17 PM

other than oversized - it really is impossible to tell if he has a mix of lines - definitely working lines, does not have the DDR "look", and really - many pedigrees today are a mix of WGR/Belgian/Czech etc....Looks like a nice dog, sounds like a good tempered, stable dog....

Lee

suzzyq01 · 06-06-2011, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Emoore

"He is about 28 inches at the withers and about 95-100 lbs."

This leads me to think he's not DDR, since in general they tend to be shorter and kind of squatty.

Sonar is 100% DDR and I wouldn't consider him "squatty" at all. I will have to measure him at the withers tonight, but if I were to guess I would say he is about 25-26" at 14 months old. He is substantially taller than my Sibe which is taller than his breed standard.

shadmuffin07 · 06-06-2011, 04:23 PM

very true, I agree about him definately being working, and that most today are a mixture-which is a good thing-keeps the gene pool going, thank you!
I know knowing the exact "type" he is isn't truly that important, but I would like to get an idea because I plan on buying a working shepherd soon, and he embodies what a shepherd should be-truly has a wonderful working temperament and he's beautiful lol

shadmuffin07 · 06-06-2011, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzyq01

Sonar is 100% DDR and I wouldn't consider him "squatty" at all. I will have to measure him at the withers tonight, but if I were to guess I would say he is about 25-26" at 14 months old. He is substantially taller than my Sibe which is taller than his breed standard.

Ok thank you, let me know whenever you have time,

yes I know DDR's generally have a lotttttt of bone, but dont think they are squatty.

cliffson1 · 06-06-2011, 04:30 PM

Looking at his head he may be an American /import mix.

View Poll Results: What is he?
DDR	2	5.13%
West German Working	8	20.51%
Czech	8	20.51%
Other/Mixture	21	53.85%
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06-06-2011, 03:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
shadmuffin07 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 68	Black. What is he? DDR, West German working, Czech, mixture, etc...? Hello all! I am wondering what other enthusiasts/experts believe the lineage of this beautiful black male shepherd could be. He is a wonderful working dog, and was very easy to train-high intelligence/desire to please/drives. He has solid nerves, even temperament-aloof and wary, but since he was raised by a child he is very friendly and accepting, great balanced drives-not a huge ball fanatic, but his civil, food, and prey drives are extremely high. He also is very dominant-thinks he has to be the boss of other dogs and wont back down lol. Again, he is VERY protective, but not overly protective-controlled. He is about 28 inches at the withers and about 95-100 lbs. Please, feel free to ask me other questions about anything if that would help you make your decision. Thank you sooo much! Last edited by shadmuffin07; 12-19-2011 at 12:10 PM.

06-06-2011, 04:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
Catu Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Valdivia, Chile Posts: 4,276	could you post a pedigree link? __________________ "The dog does not need to be deranked so much as the people need to learn to act like people worth listening to" Suzanne Clothier. Diabla, my Daemon; SchH A, RH-T A Akela, my Direwolf; Work in Progress Bagheera, Long term puppy host

06-06-2011, 04:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
Emoore Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North DFW, TX Posts: 9,215	"He is about 28 inches at the withers and about 95-100 lbs." This leads me to think he's not DDR, since in general they tend to be shorter and kind of squatty. __________________ Rocky vom Backyard- 10 years young Kopper vom Felssclucht Bach - 17 months At the Bridge: Cash van der Animal Shelter 2006-2010

06-06-2011, 04:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 7,089	other than oversized - it really is impossible to tell if he has a mix of lines - definitely working lines, does not have the DDR "look", and really - many pedigrees today are a mix of WGR/Belgian/Czech etc....Looks like a nice dog, sounds like a good tempered, stable dog.... Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Basha Sch3, Ghost Sch3 - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB/Ret - Kyra, Sch3, Alice Sch1, Kelsey, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

06-06-2011, 04:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
shadmuffin07 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 68	Hi! thanks for your quick reply! oh Im sorry, He was adopted from a shelter when he was 5 months with no pedigree of course. The only info that we were able to get was that he was started in protection training and that the previous owners had to move because of bankruptcy-we were not able to get any other info

06-06-2011, 04:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
shadmuffin07 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 68	Thanks! Yes he is on the large size, and wow I did not know that about DDR bloodlines, thank you-I was chatting with a trainer over the weekend and he thinks czech

06-06-2011, 04:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
shadmuffin07 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 68	very true, I agree about him definately being working, and that most today are a mixture-which is a good thing-keeps the gene pool going, thank you! I know knowing the exact "type" he is isn't truly that important, but I would like to get an idea because I plan on buying a working shepherd soon, and he embodies what a shepherd should be-truly has a wonderful working temperament and he's beautiful lol

06-06-2011, 04:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
cliffson1 Knighted Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,929	Looking at his head he may be an American /import mix.

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