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Old 02-13-2014, 12:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have two shepherds, one boy 4year and one girl 3yrs. They have been well socialised, been brought up with boundries and love. They are never allowed on sofa's, up stairs, they live in doors and know their place in the family home. Unfortunately my boy bit the postman a few months ago, drew blood. The dog warden and police were involved. They assessed the dogs and luckily nothing more was done. Today he was down my husband's garage as a one off and a delivery guy can in and once again my boy bit him....well he tore his jacket but if he did not have such a thick jacket on I could be looking at another incident as he just jumped straight up a bit him.

I did not really think he would do this again as last time he was clearly protecting his property. I think this now means I need to muzzle him every time he goes out, but it's sad because at home etc he is lovely and never showed signs of this before. I don't want to muzzle him as he loves playing etc. I know they are protective but this is beyond protecting. I have 7 small grandchildren and am now a bit weary although in my heart I don't think he would do anything or am I just blinkered.

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Both times your dog wasn't supervised, is that right? And I'm assuming not on a leash? This might be solved simply by keeping him away from places like the yard and the garage where he is likely to encounter strangers entering the house. Does he show any signs of nervousness if he is introduced to people with you standing right there?
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Angry posts probably incoming. Some probably less constructive than others. The dogs have too little training and too much freedom. Saying the dog is protective is an attempt to put a positive spin on jackass behavior. The postman wasnt a threat neither was the delivery boy. Your dog isnt protective hes out of control.
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I am not condoning what your dog did, but both instances were strangers, maybe in uniforms?

My suggestion, you are now aware this dog has the potential to bite strangers. Be on top of it. Frankly, if he's a sweetheart with your family, grandkids, I wouldn't worry about it.

Strangers, I would worry about, and don't put him in any situations where he could possibly nail another one.

And I agree he most likely was not being protective, guardy possibly, he bit with reasons only known to him
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I'd say training and containment have to be big priorities now. Two incidents looks awful on any record and you need to prove you're doing everything in your power to contain and train the dog to prevent any further incidents.
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After the first bite, you should have found a trainer and not let him unsupervised.

Can you find a positive reinforcement trainer to work with you on this? It sounds like your dog does not have the proper socialization and training to know when a real threat is present.
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agree "The dogs have too little training and too much freedom. Saying the dog is protective is an attempt to put a positive spin on jackass behavior. The postman wasnt a threat neither was the delivery boy. Your dog isnt protective hes out of control. "

too much freedom -- freedom granted before responsible , responsive behaviour ---

protect your dog . He has two strikes against him
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Training. My dog barks too and I want that but he knows not to cross any lines. I can walk him off leash (just for training) to practice our commands. We reinforce commands daily, it's lots of work but it's a responsibility we take on getting the dogs we do.
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After the first bite, you should have found a trainer and not let him unsupervised.

Can you find a positive reinforcement trainer to work with you on this? It sounds like your dog does not have the proper socialization and training to know when a real threat is present.
This he never should have gotten one bite and two??? Most likely he was giving signals before the first bite and "you" missed them!

So whatever you're doing is not working! Hire a professional, certified behaviourist. In the eyes of the law you've proven you can't control your dog!

It's all well and good that they aren't allowed on the furniture but if they can't be trusted in public what's the real value of that?

The first step in correcting the problem is "admitting' that you screwed up! These are "real" dogs and if you're doing or did something wrong..they will let you know!

I had raised dogs myself BullMastiff/Pitt mixes, Boxers for years, my first GSD gave me big times problems...including people aggression! I had to start all over with him including a muzzle! Fabric muzzle worked for me (in cool climates dog can't pant properly in one) and it's not 100% secure.

Anyway one growl at company and it became "my" job to make sure he never bit anyone! It took awhile and after a bit I dropped the muzzle, and today he's safe in public and people can pet him if..I allow them!

So the call is yours, you can step up and accept responsibility for failing your dog, are call us "me" a bunch of A holes that don't want to help and run off to Petco??
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so, what if you're out in public and you don't see a person
reaching out to pet your dog? you didn't allow them to pet
your dog. what's your dog going to do?

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This he never should have gotten one bite and two??? Most likely he was giving signals before the first bite and "you" missed them!

So whatever you're doing is not working! Hire a professional, certified behaviourist. In the eyes of the law you've proven you can't control your dog!

It's all well and good that they aren't allowed on the furniture but if they can't be trusted in public what's the real value of that?

The first step in correcting the problem is "admitting' that you screwed up! These are "real" dogs and if you're doing or did something wrong..they will let you know!

I had raised dogs myself BullMastiff/Pitt mixes, Boxers for years, my first GSD gave me big times problems...including people aggression! I had to start all over with him including a muzzle! Fabric muzzle worked for me (in cool climates dog can't pant properly in one) and it's not 100% secure.

Anyway one growl at company and it became "my" job to make sure he never bit anyone! It took awhile and after a bit I dropped the muzzle,

>>>>> and today he's safe in public and people can pet him if..I allow them! <<<<<

So the call is yours, you can step up and accept responsibility for failing your dog, are call us "me" a bunch of A holes that don't want to help and run off to Petco??
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