(Long, sorry!) Know it all neighbor ( I wish it was fake)
So, this conversation is completely and utterly true, not a made up one like you awesome guys do! I wish it was, but sadly, not.
My neighbor was over to talk mulch with my dad, and if he could have some of ours for a small project, while I had Lucky out in the backyard, working on her recall with distractions, i.e my dad and my neighbor. I had her on my 30ft leash, though I cinched it down to only 6ft, because of the distractions.
So I'm running around our yard like an idiot(the things we do), making it absoLUTELY fun and amazing and just SUCH an awesome thing to come to mom, with either a treat, huge praise, a stick, a toy, etc. when my neighbor finally takes notice and starts walking towards me.
Thinking "woo, a great way to practice!" I start to run off and have Lucky chase me, albeit a bit rude to our neighbor, I admit(don't like him. He's a priss and thinks GSD's are vicious dogs that shouldn't be allowed off chains), and start to praise her when he calls out for me to "Stop! You're ruining your parents' dog!"
Shocked, I turned around(forget to praise Lucky like an IDIOT) and just kind of stare at him dumbfounded. This is how the conversation continues;
-- "What do you mean, I'm ruining MY dog?" (I am possessive, it is a thing(they're mine damnit)
--"Don't have your dog chase you! That makes her think you're an omega in the pack."
-- "Uhm, I don't think so, sir."
-- "Trust me, I've been working with dogs since I was a kid. You're ruining any kind of dominance you have over her."
-- "I assure you, sir, that I'm not." (In an effort to prove to him(ugh, he makes me feel so fricken insecure(and very creeped out), I tell Lucky to Sit, Stay. Drop the leash, and walk over to him. Once there, I bend down, and ask Lucky to come to me. After of course, giving her her release. Tongue lulling, she bounces towards me, like a perfect angel.
It isn't even two seconds after I praise her, that he snatches up the leash and YANKS her towards him, telling her in a very deep and loud voice to 'come'.
Lucky startles, and darts away, and he goes to yank her back when I snatch the leash out of his hand(needless to say, I've had trouble with recall after this). Sadly, my dad having gone to get him the mulch, doesn't witness it.
-- "You should really let your father teach your dog. She'll only listen to a true pack leader, and that's always a male."
-- Speechless, I just stare at him for a moment before mumbling out; "I think you need to rethink all those years of dog handling, sir. Recall has to be fun, not something to be scared of."
-- "With dogs like GSD's, you have to be firm and very, very dominant for them to even think about listening to you. A girl like you just isn't the person to be training your parents' dogs. I'll give your father some advice."
And he walks away. I'm just so pissed right now. Lucky is afraid of my dad(tall, broad shouldered, deep voiced) right now, and it's breaking his heart, because Lucky is his favorite. We're working on building up a positive environment with my dad and looots of good, yummy treats to combat her bad experience.
I feel like such a bad owner for allowing it to happen.
I wouldn't have been nice to that guy at all. Snatching my dogs leash like that and treating a dog in such a way, especially a dog that isn't his, would have been enough of a reason to beat him with the leash for me. Inexcusable. Especially telling you that you're basically too girly to train a GSD when truth of the matter is, the majority of GSD owners I've known, the dogs have all the been females dogs. I cant stand people like that. Sorry he set you back in training.
I'm not sure how old you are, but since he apparently only respects your father, it might be worth having your father send him a very formal letter in the mail stating that this neighbor is not to touch YOUR dog, or bother to YOU. No explanation needed -- just tell him firmly to mind his own business.
Don't feel too bad. One you obviously have been raised to be polite and practice being a polite person in life so that's going to be your first knee jerk reaction, not to be aggressive. Also you were caught off guard with him. He felt he was in a position of authority and with people like that they aren't going to care about your space or your rights. **
Two your dog is more resilient then you realize. As long as you stay focused and positive with your dog things will only get better. :)
I would avoid the neighbor, if he's out while you are training move away. If he approaches you move away more, look him in the eye and tell him firmly he is not to get closer to you or your dog.
If continues to approach take your dog run away. It won't look good to anyone seeing a man chasing you...he'll look bad, he'll know that and will probably then get the message.
Tell your dad what happened too. His behavior was out of bounds and you probably don't like him because your gut/intuition is telling you something isn't right trust that feeling, always.
(**my FIL is that way, he really thinks he's 'king of the world' he does not respect other people's boundaries, really what that is, is an adult bully)
That's two stories about people grabbing leashes of dogs that do not belong to them I've read here. Is this common?
I don't mean to sound like the red neck I am but that is an excellent way to get me to gut your %%% and make a skin suit out of you. It's basic kindergarten: don't touch other people's stuff without permission. Ask that @#% stain to go to a biker bar and touch another rider's bike to see what happens.
@LadyLuckandGemini - ignore that pitiful creature and keep working with your dog. It sounds like the two of you are doing it right. I look forward to getting Kaiser to where the two of you are.
just a friendly heads up...pseudo swearing isn't allowed on this board...get what you're saying tho.
btw, IMO it's not common for people to grab the leash of someone elses dog, especially strangers.
However what you'll notice is when things like this happens it's usually a man taking the leash from a women as in these two stories.
I've never had it happen but I'm tall, older and serious looking when working my dogs and my dogs have pretty good OB on them now so they look serious too.
Young women (not all mind you, but a lot) don't project confidence and seriousness and men who are bullys will take advantage of that. In other words a man who'll grab the leash from a petite or young women would NOT mess with a man's bike at a biker bar.
That's the difference a lot of guys don't understand.
Your puppy should overcome a negative situation. I am sorry it happened, but I would not treat the dog different, maybe back up a step or two and work on recall only while on lead.
Nothing wrong with Dad giving the puppy treats whenever he sees the puppy. I am not sure how old the puppy is. But a negative reaction from a strange man, should not make him wary around ANY man. If your dad is having trouble interacting with the puppy, he should ignore the puppy. Don't even look at the puppy, drop treats and move away so the pup can eat them. Depending on how the pup is acting, move on to offering the treat from the hand, but looking away from the dog. Palm should be open. When that is ok, start having his face toward the dog, but not focused on the dog's eyes when he takes the treat.
Move on to taking treats gently from a hand that begins to be more challenging, and finally to have the dog look at your father's face before giving the treat, with the LOOK or WATCH command.
Any dog can act fearful of a new situation, but should recover quickly. How we act during the situation, and during the recovery. I mean if we praise or comfort the dog in a fearful state, we may be increasing the length and strength of the fear reaction. We want to encourage the dog to be confident, and encourage the dog when it recovers.
I wasn't there, so I really don't know.
Oops, there may be some unsolicited advice in there.
The neighbor was a jerk. If there wasn't a puppy to consider in the situation, I would probably have suggested screaming bloody murder or biting him -- just kidding. The world is full of jerks. If you have a negative feeling about someone, don't let them get close enought to snatch your lead out of your hand.
Wow! People never cease to amaze me. Sadly, it's is usually how stupid they can be.
I've read a couple stories where people had grabbed leashes. It always seems to be from a woman. Some men think they are superior and us poor lil' girls can't train a mouse. My dog reads people's personalities very well. If she acts hinky at all toward a person coming our way. I step to the side of the path and put her in a sit facing the person coming. If they pass by quietly we resume walking. If they attempt to get too close I watch closely what Raina's reaction is. No one and I mean no one will get my leash from me. My husband tried just for kicks to see if I could hold on to it if someone tried to grab it. He was surprised that he couldn't pull it out of my hand. I have a good grip after over 10 years of training GSD's. (Sorry to those who I've squished their hands in a handshake.) No one should tell you how to train your dog unless they are asked, hired, or picked by you for advice. Sounds like you are doing a good job. Keep up the good work. Unfortunately there are jerks out there.
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