Ugly morning... still angry

[robinhuerta]

I agree Samba...
....and a simple "look, bump, sniff, bark or OBJECT"...changes the entire situation.....after all...they are simply animals.

[codmaster]

Originally Posted by Relayer

No doubt, but Joe has a reputation and even shows up with an E-collar sometimes.. there's your sign!!!

Having an e-collar says that a dog is aggressive?

Might be only used because he doesn't recall very well. I know a number of people with totally non aggressive dogs who use e-collars. The e-collar is not a sign of aggressivness any more than a prong collar would be.

[Relayer]

Originally Posted by codmaster

Having an e-collar says that a dog is aggressive?

Might be only used because he doesn't recall very well. I know a number of people with totally non aggressive dogs who use e-collars. The e-collar is not a sign of aggressivness any more than a prong collar would be.

Nice try at giving the benefit of doubt. I know all of these people very well... this is a small community. The e-collar for Joe was bought specifically because he is out of control and a bully in the first degree.

[Samba]

Well, I hope the ecollar is in reference to some problem in the dog actually. I know many fine, fine dogs sporting an ecollar at times.

I think the idea is that this dog is known to aggress or behave aggressively. If so, then the owner should already be heads up not to put him in with others. My training friend does not turn her Golden bitch loose with others because we all know she can agress, so why tempt fate.

I am just saying there are risks inherent in this group play activity no matter who is there or what they have or have not done previously. These are dogs after all.

[Lucy Dog]

This is exactly why I don't go to dog parks anymore. I used to bring Lucy all the time starting when she was about Max's age (4 months). Everytime i was there a fight would break out. It's a joke how people take their aggressive dogs to the park and not even care. I've seen it happen so many times. Eventually, i had enough of the aggressive dogs that I don't even bother going anymore. I'm not risking Lucys mental and physical health to play with some dog aggresive dogs.

If you want to keep going to the dog park, i hope it never happens again, but don't be surprised when Max gets attacked again like that. Don't even think for a second that Joe is going to be the only aggressive dog that Max is going to run into. It sucks to say, but that's just the risk you're taking going to a public dog park. Idiot owners and their aggressive dogs.

[FuryanGoddess]

Zeva barks at every dog she sees... bit ones, little ones, cats... I avoid dog parks. It's not worth the risk to her ticking some other dog off or me getting sued. I don't think she'd attack, but her barking might get them to go at her.

She's never barked at Murphy and they can't stand not being in the same room w/ her. If she has to spend the rest of her life here on my land, running around or at my moms w/ Murphy, she'll remain very happy. Though she does LOVE ppl.

I'm not sure how Murphy is w/ other dogs, he's young and has always had other dogs around him. They may never bother him or he might flip like she does... who knows...

I take her to the park, just not off leash. I don't trust it, her, them... Dogs are dogs and one wrong move by even the most behaved dogs can start something.

[codmaster]

Originally Posted by Relayer

Nice try at giving the benefit of doubt. I know all of these people very well... this is a small community. The e-collar for Joe was bought specifically because he is out of control and a bully in the first degree.

Wasn't a try at anything - just a fact of life.

If the owners are using an e-collar because the dog is aggressive, I would give them a little credit for trying but very low grades for smartness!

Ecollars are not very useful for correcting aggression unless you really know what you are doing - could easily escalate the DA instead of helping it.

[Relayer]

Originally Posted by Lucy Dog

This is exactly why I don't go to dog parks anymore. I used to bring Lucy all the time starting when she was about Max's age (4 months). Everytime i was there a fight would break out. It's a joke how people take their aggressive dogs to the park and not even care. I've seen it happen so many times. Eventually, i had enough of the aggressive dogs that I don't even bother going anymore. I'm not risking Lucys mental and physical health to play with some dog aggresive dogs.

If you want to keep going to the dog park, i hope it never happens again, but don't be surprised when Max gets attacked again like that. Don't even think for a second that Joe is going to be the only aggressive dog that Max is going to run into. It sucks to say, but that's just the risk you're taking going to a public dog park. Idiot owners and their aggressive dogs.

But it is not a public park. You'd have to see how intimate and comfortable it normally is to appreciate. You know I'm often on the same page with you, but we don't have issues very often at all. This was the first truly ugly situation I've witnessed in 2 months of going twice a day. This a "one bad apple" situation that is easily fixed by banning the dog. I don't think I would ever take Max to a different dog park.

[Relayer]

Originally Posted by codmaster

Wasn't a try at anything - just a fact of life.

If the owners are using an e-collar because the dog is aggressive, I would give them a little credit for trying but very low grades for smartness!

Ecollars are not very useful for correcting aggression unless you really know what you are doing - could easily escalate the DA instead of helping it.

AND?? They are thinking that it will be useful for correcting aggression. DA already exists with this dog and the owners are well aware.

[doggiedad]

why shoot the dog if it happens again? why not avoid
the situation? work something out with the owner
of the dog. the two of you don't have to be in
the park at the same time. you're in a dog park
and these things can and will happen.

if you shoot this guys dog in the park you're at fault
or blame. it's a dog park and everybody has a right
to be there. the guy with the aggressive dog shouldn't
be there or is this dog only aggressive with your dog?

when Max grows up you don't know if Max will
die for you. the chances are he won't die for you.
i think if a dog has a chance to survive and you die
they're going to save themselves and even if
Max would die for you you shouldn't shoot the other
dog.

don't be surprised if you shoot the dog in the dog park
you find yourself faced with a lot of trouble.

now think about. this, you kill the dog.
now you're a 3 time loser. you're
a loser for shooting the dog, you're a loser
for going to jail and you're even a bigger loser for losing
Max because you're in jail.

Originally Posted by Relayer

That will work, but if it doesn't, I'll shoot that dog in front of God and any witnesses if he touches Max ever again!! This is Florida and I have a license to carry. When Max grows up, he'd die to protect me... I'll protect him, period! Stupid idiotic ignorant owners!!! Ughhhhhhh!!