Tooth Question (SV, AKC, UKC, CKC)

**Amaruq** · 01-29-2008, 02:51 AM

Is it possible to show a dog missing a canine? What type of documentation would you need (if at all) from a vet? The tooth was broken and was removed. Do they get dinged (assuming all else is equal/comparable) just because a tooth was removed? I can understand if the tooth wasnt there or there was no documentation.

Liesje · 01-29-2008, 12:07 PM

AKC standard "Teeth --42 in number--20 upper and 22 lower--are strongly developed and meet in a scissors bite in which part of the inner surface of the upper incisors meet and engage part of the outer surface of the lower incisors. An overshot jaw or a level bite is undesirable. An undershot jaw is a disqualifying fault. Complete dentition is to be preferred. Any missing teeth other than first premolars is a serious fault."

Sounds like you can show them AKC, but it's a fault.

**Amaruq** · 01-29-2008, 12:37 PM

I thought I had read somewhere a long time ago about needing the vet records if a tooth was lost in training/accident to prove that it was indeed there.

Liesje · 01-29-2008, 12:38 PM

Yeah that would make sense. Loosing a tooth in an accident or whatever is different than never having one. A lost tooth doesn't really affect the dog's genes.

**Chris Wild** · 01-29-2008, 12:40 PM

For SV style shows you need to have a dental notation form filled out, and supporting paperwork to show that the tooth was removed. I'm really not sure of the entire process because I've never done it or had need to read up on it. There's more info on the USA website about it. But I know that once that is done you're covered and the dog won't get dinged for the missing tooth.

I have no idea about AKC...

SouthernBelle · 01-29-2008, 03:50 PM

I show in AKC and my dog is missing 1 tooth. I have had people tell me that 1 is ok, but more than that would be a fault. If we were to show under a "tooth fairy" judge, we might not be put up because of it. I feel like if the over all dog meets the standard, that one missing tooth really shouldnt make a difference. But it definently could.

**Andaka** · 01-29-2008, 04:01 PM

If you have documentation (letter from vet, etc), you should be OK with AKC. A friend of mine had a Terv that had lost a tooth in a fence fight. He went on the be one of the top winning Tervs. She kept a copy of the vet's letter in her tack box and would stick it in her pocket on her way to the ring. After a while the judges recognized the dog and quit asking about it.

Good luck.

01-29-2008, 02:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
Amaruq Moderator who has gone to the dogs Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Where I don't wanna be-NW PA Posts: 14,645	Tooth Question (SV, AKC, UKC, CKC) Is it possible to show a dog missing a canine? What type of documentation would you need (if at all) from a vet? The tooth was broken and was removed. Do they get dinged (assuming all else is equal/comparable) just because a tooth was removed? I can understand if the tooth wasnt there or there was no documentation. __________________ Ruq Paq Lakota, Chimo, Tika, Rayne, Kanuck, Jethro and Keyzah My Angels forever in my heart and watching over us: Phoenix 9/07 Kaylee Cheyenne 5/09

01-29-2008, 12:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
Liesje Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 12,971	Re: Tooth Question (SV, AKC, UKC, CKC) AKC standard "Teeth --42 in number--20 upper and 22 lower--are strongly developed and meet in a scissors bite in which part of the inner surface of the upper incisors meet and engage part of the outer surface of the lower incisors. An overshot jaw or a level bite is undesirable. An undershot jaw is a disqualifying fault. Complete dentition is to be preferred. Any missing teeth other than first premolars is a serious fault." Sounds like you can show them AKC, but it's a fault. __________________ UCH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop FO OB1 CL1R CL1F RA TT HIT TDI CGC VPC's Coca-Cola HIT CGC SG UCH Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 AD T1 FO PA CL1R UNJ UCA HIT TT CGC OFA SG Pantalaimon vom Geistwasser BH AD HIT CGC

01-29-2008, 12:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
Amaruq Moderator who has gone to the dogs Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Where I don't wanna be-NW PA Posts: 14,645	Re: Tooth Question (SV, AKC, UKC, CKC) I thought I had read somewhere a long time ago about needing the vet records if a tooth was lost in training/accident to prove that it was indeed there. __________________ Ruq Paq Lakota, Chimo, Tika, Rayne, Kanuck, Jethro and Keyzah My Angels forever in my heart and watching over us: Phoenix 9/07 Kaylee Cheyenne 5/09

01-29-2008, 12:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Liesje Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 12,971	Re: Tooth Question (SV, AKC, UKC, CKC) Yeah that would make sense. Loosing a tooth in an accident or whatever is different than never having one. A lost tooth doesn't really affect the dog's genes. __________________ UCH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop FO OB1 CL1R CL1F RA TT HIT TDI CGC VPC's Coca-Cola HIT CGC SG UCH Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 AD T1 FO PA CL1R UNJ UCA HIT TT CGC OFA SG Pantalaimon vom Geistwasser BH AD HIT CGC

01-29-2008, 12:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	Re: Tooth Question (SV, AKC, UKC, CKC) For SV style shows you need to have a dental notation form filled out, and supporting paperwork to show that the tooth was removed. I'm really not sure of the entire process because I've never done it or had need to read up on it. There's more info on the USA website about it. But I know that once that is done you're covered and the dog won't get dinged for the missing tooth. I have no idea about AKC... __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

01-29-2008, 03:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
SouthernBelle Master Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mooresville, NC Posts: 844	Re: Tooth Question (SV, AKC, UKC, CKC) I show in AKC and my dog is missing 1 tooth. I have had people tell me that 1 is ok, but more than that would be a fault. If we were to show under a "tooth fairy" judge, we might not be put up because of it. I feel like if the over all dog meets the standard, that one missing tooth really shouldnt make a difference. But it definently could. __________________ Melissa http://WWW.SouthernCharmGSDS.com

01-29-2008, 04:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
Andaka "I like Daffy" Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Douglas, IL ( near St. Louis) Posts: 2,435	Re: Tooth Question (SV, AKC, UKC, CKC) If you have documentation (letter from vet, etc), you should be OK with AKC. A friend of mine had a Terv that had lost a tooth in a fence fight. He went on the be one of the top winning Tervs. She kept a copy of the vet's letter in her tack box and would stick it in her pocket on her way to the ring. After a while the judges recognized the dog and quit asking about it. Good luck. __________________ Daphne and the Gang at Andaka Where Beauty and Brains Come Together http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/germ...&results_in=10 Home of Ch Natty; Ch Doll; Jag RA (ch ptd); Sara RN (ch ptd); Bella (the new one); and Fisher (Mr. Evil) At the Bridge: Ch Kahla CD; Ch Keno UD HSAs OA; Ch Kizzy HSAs RE; Ch Tag CD RAE2; Ch Pharra; Bee PT; Ch Red the Dachshund

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