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Charlie W 02-16-2014 10:12 PM

Showing W/L in breed shows?
 
I know nothing about breed shows and I might be wrong here, but I'm under the impression that only show line dogs feature in breed shows. Is that the case, or do working line dogs sometimes compete in breed shows, and if so how do they fare / how are they received?

I hope this isn't a silly question, please be kind ;)

Xeph 02-17-2014 03:01 AM

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Is that the case, or do working line dogs sometimes compete in breed shows, and if so how do they fare / how are they received?
Sometimes they do, but it is generally money wasted. They are there to make a "statement". Some people (spectators) state how much they prefer the WL entered over the SL entered, but just as many prefer the SL dogs (this is my personal experience, having both WL and SL).

I could enter this guy in a show
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...Loch102713.jpg

He has testicles, he's a purebred German Shepherd Dog, he's an acceptable color. But why would I when the following is what wins?

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps651092ff.jpg

It's a waste of $60

Charlie W 02-17-2014 04:10 AM

I'm no expert but I think both of these dogs look wonderful! It almost seems as though there should be a separate breed show for W/L and S/L, but then I guess you risk creating a bigger divide, not just in type but owner / judge attitudes which seem to be an issue.. My GSD is a cross between the two, so I have no feelings either way, although I'm planning a second W/L addition to the family later in the year..

Xeph 02-17-2014 05:07 AM

But they're not separate breeds (though many would like to view them as such). They are the same breed with very different strains.

I have a cross line dog. I feel he's the best of my whole crew. I can admit that it is, in some part, luck.

Both dogs may look wonderful to you, but they are extremely different in structure (and temperament and drive). The first dog just does not have what it takes for the show ring, the second, not so much for "real" work.

Charlie W 02-17-2014 05:40 AM

I find it strange that the breed has been divided this way, correct me if I'm wrong, but if I had a working Border Collie, or gundog, I could compete against non-working dogs of the same breed in a conformation ring.

I mean Herr von Stephanitz only created one type, so I guess it makes me wonder how we got to where we are now?

Not making any judgements either way, I just find it interesting..

jocoyn 02-17-2014 07:04 AM

Well, even in Von Stephantiz' day there were arguments between folks on structure based on show vs working.

Actually I think there is a divide in Border Collies as well, with show types that don't have the characteristic cow hocks needed for the quick turns and agility. Same with labradors etc.

You could "do" it but I would not expect success because of the difference in type. The lines really don't cross a lot in breeding so I don't have a problem with the groups going their separate ways.

Wild Wolf 02-17-2014 09:21 AM

I wouldn't bother showing in AKC/CKC... I am showing my sable working line male in UKC, and have already showed him in the SV ring where he earned his SG rating.

MaggieRoseLee 02-17-2014 09:43 AM

In many breeds there is a split between those who want a 'working' type dog and those just going for a look. Hunting dogs show this (field vs show).

Go to English or American Lab?

and look at those 2 yellow labs...

Merciel 02-17-2014 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie W (Post 5035074)
I find it strange that the breed has been divided this way, correct me if I'm wrong, but if I had a working Border Collie, or gundog, I could compete against non-working dogs of the same breed in a conformation ring.

You could, and if you had a dog bred purely for work -- a purely herding BC or a purely field-line working Golden or Lab -- you'd lose just the same.

It is what it is. The show/work division exists to some extent in every breed that's got working roots and is big enough to support that spread in population. The split in GSDs is much bigger than any other I know of, but all the other breeds have them too.

Andaka 02-17-2014 02:39 PM

The OP lives in New Zealand, so the proticals may be different over there.


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