Long hair question

PuppyKono · 12-09-2012, 04:02 PM

I was told the other day that in german shepherd shows the spilt up the long haired and the stock coat german shepherds. I was just wanting to know if that is true. Is it? its a stupid question but I wanted to know. Thanks

Xeph · 12-09-2012, 07:59 PM

If the dog is a true long coat (no undercoat) it is true. If it is a long stock coat (long hair with undercoat) this will not occur

TFleahman · 12-09-2012, 08:02 PM

Could someone post a picture of the difference in a true log coat and stock long coat with undercoat? I have a long hair pup, she is my first shepherd, and I'm curious what the difference is

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Xeph · 12-10-2012, 04:30 AM

It's hard to find pics of true long coats. Most coaties are long stock.

A Bearded Collie is a long coated dog that demonstrates what a true long coat GSD would look like sans undercoat. A Briard is another example

**Liesje** · 12-10-2012, 09:16 AM

In SV shows, yes they split stock coats and long stock coats into their own classes.

PuppyKono · 12-10-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Liesje

In SV shows, yes they split stock coats and long stock coats into their own classes.

Thank you!

PuppyKono · 12-10-2012, 03:38 PM

New question are you not allowed to cut a coaties fur? Ive been reading things and I'm wondering for shows if you aren't allowed to because Kono her fur on the top of her back was black then it turned tan and now its coming in black again. Do I just keep brushing her and then that hair will come out soon and the hair on her back will be black again....

martemchik · 12-10-2012, 05:11 PM

In SV they have started to split. In AKC, you'd still show together. If you part your dog's outer hair, you should be able to see a shorter, thicker undercoat. If you don't then I'm pretty sure your dog would just get disqualified in the AKC ring, and if not disqualified then it wouldn't place very high among a bunch of stock coats. A long coat isn't a disqualifying fault, but it is a point fault so all else equal, a shorter haired dog will be more successful in the breed ring.

The reason you can't cut the fur is that some breeders will shave/cut their longer stock coated GSDs in order to make them look like short/medium coated GSDs. They'll cut the hair on the ears and the feet (usually the biggest give away of a long coat) so that their dogs will have a better chance in the breed ring.

PuppyKono · 12-11-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by martemchik

In SV they have started to split. In AKC, you'd still show together. If you part your dog's outer hair, you should be able to see a shorter, thicker undercoat. If you don't then I'm pretty sure your dog would just get disqualified in the AKC ring, and if not disqualified then it wouldn't place very high among a bunch of stock coats. A long coat isn't a disqualifying fault, but it is a point fault so all else equal, a shorter haired dog will be more successful in the breed ring.

The reason you can't cut the fur is that some breeders will shave/cut their longer stock coated GSDs in order to make them look like short/medium coated GSDs. They'll cut the hair on the ears and the feet (usually the biggest give away of a long coat) so that their dogs will have a better chance in the breed ring.

Gotcha! Thanks!

**Andaka** · 12-11-2012, 05:18 PM

You can't cut the hair for showing because natural hair has a point on the end and cut hair will have a blunt end. So if a judge looks for it, they can tell.

12-09-2012, 04:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
PuppyKono Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Colorado Posts: 160	Long hair question I was told the other day that in german shepherd shows the spilt up the long haired and the stock coat german shepherds. I was just wanting to know if that is true. Is it? its a stupid question but I wanted to know. Thanks __________________ Kono ~ 2/25/12 "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." -Will Rogers

12-09-2012, 07:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
Xeph Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 5,196	If the dog is a true long coat (no undercoat) it is true. If it is a long stock coat (long hair with undercoat) this will not occur __________________ Jackie and the Marcato Shepherds (and one cat) Strauss: The service dog Mirada: The Mogwai Wesson: The girl with a boy's name Mahler: The sporty sable Vixie: The plucky show girl Barrett: The Frikken Tikken

12-10-2012, 04:30 AM	#4 (permalink)
Xeph Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 5,196	It's hard to find pics of true long coats. Most coaties are long stock. A Bearded Collie is a long coated dog that demonstrates what a true long coat GSD would look like sans undercoat. A Briard is another example __________________ Jackie and the Marcato Shepherds (and one cat) Strauss: The service dog Mirada: The Mogwai Wesson: The girl with a boy's name Mahler: The sporty sable Vixie: The plucky show girl Barrett: The Frikken Tikken

12-10-2012, 09:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
Liesje Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 16,441	In SV shows, yes they split stock coats and long stock coats into their own classes. __________________ Liesje & the K9s Nikon (GSD) U-CH SG Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 KKL T1 FO PA TF-III FDCh-S CL1-R UJJ U-CA HIT TT CGC Coke (All-American) VPC's Coca-Cola CGC, couch warmer extraordinaire Indy (All-American) Blue Horizon's Indigo Girl, flyball star in training Rainbow Bridge Kenya (GSD) U-CH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop CL1-R CL1-F RA HIT TDI TT CGC vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs

12-10-2012, 03:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
PuppyKono Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Colorado Posts: 160	New question are you not allowed to cut a coaties fur? Ive been reading things and I'm wondering for shows if you aren't allowed to because Kono her fur on the top of her back was black then it turned tan and now its coming in black again. Do I just keep brushing her and then that hair will come out soon and the hair on her back will be black again.... __________________ Kono ~ 2/25/12 "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." -Will Rogers

12-09-2012, 08:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
TFleahman New Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 5	Could someone post a picture of the difference in a true log coat and stock long coat with undercoat? I have a long hair pup, she is my first shepherd, and I'm curious what the difference is Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App

12-10-2012, 05:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
martemchik Knighted Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,553	In SV they have started to split. In AKC, you'd still show together. If you part your dog's outer hair, you should be able to see a shorter, thicker undercoat. If you don't then I'm pretty sure your dog would just get disqualified in the AKC ring, and if not disqualified then it wouldn't place very high among a bunch of stock coats. A long coat isn't a disqualifying fault, but it is a point fault so all else equal, a shorter haired dog will be more successful in the breed ring. The reason you can't cut the fur is that some breeders will shave/cut their longer stock coated GSDs in order to make them look like short/medium coated GSDs. They'll cut the hair on the ears and the feet (usually the biggest give away of a long coat) so that their dogs will have a better chance in the breed ring. __________________ Rooney CD RE TC HIC 7/10

12-11-2012, 05:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
Andaka "I like Daffy" Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Douglas, IL ( near St. Louis) Posts: 2,955	You can't cut the hair for showing because natural hair has a point on the end and cut hair will have a blunt end. So if a judge looks for it, they can tell. __________________ Daphne and the Gang at Andaka Where Beauty and Brains Come Together http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/sear...n_shepherd_dog Home of Ch Natty; Ch Doll; Jag CDX GN RE (ch ptd); Sara RN (ch ptd); and Ch. Fisher (Mr. Evil) At the Bridge: Ch Kahla CD; Ch Keno UD HSAs OA; Ch Kizzy HSAs RE; Ch Tag CD RAE2; Ch Pharra; Bee PT; Ch Red the Dachshund

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