Javir Marda Talka-V54

[cliffson1]

It appears that Javir, (2008 BSP), placed V 54 at the German Seiger Show for conformation. This dog won the national Sch trial in 2008 in Germany. He also had a progeny group paraded in the show that received an over the top ovation. Though, many people wanted him to go higher because of his genetic importance, STILL this is a major step in the right direction in Germany. Bravo for them!!

[gagsd]

Very neat and a nice looking dog.
Do you happen to have any links to video of him and/or his progeny?

---Never mind, found vids on my own

[Andaka]

Please post them here so the rest of us can see.

[gagsd]

Not sure if you need a membership to view the videos, but here is a link..... http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-detai...om-Talka-Marda
and progeny can be seen as well under "children."

[Liesje]

Kudos! Though I am slightly disappointed, after the rumors that he would go high V. I'm not really pleased (or surprised) by this year's results, but this is a highlight!

[Andaka]

Thanks.

[gagsd]

Cliff (or anyone),
What do you think Javir's "genetic importance" is?

I see that he has Fero through both Timmy and Troll (good conformation?), and has Ira Korbelbach on the very bottom (which I have heard is good for bringing in strong aggression and maybe a good balance with the Fero lines?).

But I'd love to hear thoughts from someone with experience.
Thanks!!

[cliffson1]

His genetic importance is much more geared toward showlines where all the dogs go back to Canto/Quanto/a little Mutz. These dogs need to have genetic diversity brought in that does not go through Canto/Quanto in particular. Fero through Timmy and Troll are very much in many workinglines either individually or linebreeding. The difference in showlines is that the dogs are "backmassed" on Canto/Quanto. If you go back 32 lines in a showline dog 24 to 28 of these lines would go back to Cant/Quanto with an occaisional Mutz. This is just too too much backmassing, if you keep inbreeding on so few dogs, for this long, then you get an increase in health issues and temperament suffers. Javir will bring in a breath of fresh air and lines that are not remotely related to these three. Strength of character will improve(if you keep going in that direction) and don't go back to the same recipe after one breeding. JMO

[gagsd]

That makes sense... do you think showline people would take their dogs to him?
To me, just looking at videos, his structure has similarities to a "showdog."

[Liesje]

I would be very interested to see the results of such breedings, but I ride a lot of fences and have my hand in a lot of cookie jars

Just based on recent threads here, I would not be surprised if such breedings never happened. The show line people don't want to sacrifice their type, the working line people don't want to sacrifice their genetics. Would show line people sacrifice their pride? Would working line people take the breeding seriously?