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Merciel 05-23-2014 02:01 PM

Pongu's Hips
 
Neutered male GSD mix, 4 years old (he was a pediatric neuter at 16 weeks old, if that makes a difference). I had these done for OFA evaluations but the results aren't back yet.

The reason I had his hips checked is because I'm trying to plan out our future sports, and I didn't want to sink a ton of time/money into training a new sport if my poorly bred rescue mutt was going to break into pieces physically just when we got to a point where he might be able to handle the mental stresses of trialing.

According to the ortho and the PT specialist we're good to go for most sports, though. So I'm mostly just tossing this picture up as a reference example, since I don't think there are too many mutt OFA films out there.

http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/v...ipsMay2014.jpg

jocoyn 05-23-2014 02:33 PM

They look pretty good to me though did you do back and elbows as well? That is something many working dog folks do. What are the short white marks, just curious?

Castlemaid 05-23-2014 02:45 PM

I agree - they look pretty good! Much better than Keeta's hips, but she was older and not positioned so meticulously, as they were diagnostic X-Rays, not OFA.

Shouldn't have any issues pursuing any sport of your choice.

Merciel 05-23-2014 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jocoyn (Post 5557666)
They look pretty good to me though did you do back and elbows as well? That is something many working dog folks do. What are the short white marks, just curious?

I did his back but not his elbows -- his front half (shoulders, elbows, etc.) had been X-rayed when he was a pup because he had some intermittent lameness from pano and an old injury from his first owner, and that looked okay at that time, so I didn't have it done again this time. The spine X-rays came back fine.

Pongu does have a wobbly left hock and some laxity in his front left pastern, but neither the ortho nor the PT thought those would be serious issues, although we might want to use an ankle brace on that front left paw if we ever end up trialing in agility. I think that a career in agility is extremely unlikely, given Pongu's mental problems, but it's good to know just in case.

The small white marks are incidental calcifications -- just little calcium accretions in his body. The vets did not think they were of any concern. Apparently that is sometimes a thing that can happen from soft tissue injuries (and other causes too, but that's the one they told me was most likely, given what we know about his terrible first owner).

Muskeg 05-23-2014 04:31 PM

Those white marks looks almost too solid, and evenly placed (at least over the hips/femoral head area) to be natural bone? Any chance of them being something bizarre, like embedded staples? Poor boy, either way, but they just don't look natural. Although I am no radiologist.

gsdsar 05-23-2014 04:38 PM

Looks good.

The white things look like hemoclips. They are permanent ligatures. We see them in some spays, in those exact spots, but never a neuter. Interesting.


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Merciel 05-23-2014 04:39 PM

I honestly don't know enough to guess at alternative explanations myself -- I can only go by what they told me, which was "incidental calcification" with the explanation I posted above.

On the full-size version (and the alternate view for his spine X-rays), it's easier to see that they are not identically shaped or sized, but they are still really weird looking.

Whatever they are, they don't seem to be hurting him and they're not indicative of any disease (as far as I know), but... it is a strange finding, I agree.

Merciel 05-23-2014 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gsdsar (Post 5558426)
The white things look like hemoclips. They are permanent ligatures. We see them in some spays, in those exact spots, but never a neuter. Interesting.

Oh, huh, thank you for posting that. That does look consistent with the blown-up view.

I wonder why the vet would tell me something different then.

I also wonder when it could possibly have happened. Pongu has never had any surgeries other than his neuter, and he didn't have any stitches at all for that. Apparently whatever vet the shelter used only held the neuter incision together with glue, which made my regular vet really unhappy when they first examined Pongu right afterwards.

edit: well, the obvious answer is that of course it was done while he was neutered, but... sheesh, what a strange thing, to use apparently unnecessary stitches for a neuter when they didn't use the ordinary stitches to hold the incision shut.

Having one mystery solved means opening others, I guess! Anyway, thank you again for the explanation, I feel a lot better knowing that.

gsdsar 05-23-2014 06:03 PM

If both his texticles were descended there is no need for them. I can't be positive that's what they are, just what it looks like. If they were both retained maybe. Who knows. If that's what they are it makes no difference to the dog!!! Curiouser and curiouser.


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Merciel 05-23-2014 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gsdsar (Post 5558658)
If both his texticles were descended there is no need for them. I can't be positive that's what they are, just what it looks like. If they were both retained maybe. Who knows. If that's what they are it makes no difference to the dog!!! Curiouser and curiouser.

Both of his testicles were descended at 16 weeks. The shelter only neutered him after I signed the adoption papers (guess there's no point investing in a neuter operation before you know the dog is going to be adopted and not euthanized), so I got to see him intact, if only for a very brief time.

It does look exactly like that's what they are, so I think you must be right.

Well, like I said, I'm glad to know what they are, even if I'll never know exactly why they were put there. At least it means my dog didn't just get kicked in his butt a lot when he was little, which is what I thought before.


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