Chimo's itchies.....

**Amaruq** · 12-19-2008, 02:03 PM

This is really beginning to baffle me as we cannot seem to find a CAUSE for it but there is one thing that I have finally figured out.

Chimo has been having issues with hotspots again. This has been recurring from I think September. He will get one or two - off to the holistic vet and clears up. One of the meds that he gets is natural cortizone. He took his last one from the latest round yesterday AM. I see a spot that is wet from him already starting to bite again. There are NO fleas. This started a good month before the furnace kicked on for the first time so it isnt the two most common causes. This was either his third or fourth rounds of natural cortizone. He is also on natural antibiotics which he STILL has and is still taking. So it subtly starts after the cortizone is over.

ANY ideas???

**angelaw** · 12-19-2008, 02:05 PM

allergies?

Brightelf · 12-19-2008, 02:09 PM

Okay, silly stupid question I am sure, but.. can it be something in the all-natural cortisone preparation? I know this started BEFORE the first application of the cortisone, but.. what is the carrier in the salve? Or, what is the binder/filler in the tablets, if it is tablet form?

As for what started the itchies.. are the neighbors using autumn end-of-season garden or lawn treatments? Or, has a "tree doctor" been out to prepare, spray, etc trees at the neighbor's yards?

**Amaruq** · 12-19-2008, 02:45 PM

No treatments that I am aware of for the neighbors. I have NO clue what the allergies could be as it started pre-autumn and has continued with nearly continual snow/ice on the ground.

The natural cortizone is in pill form. The NC clears up the itches and they start again after he is off of it. Usually REALLY soon after.

I had thought that perhaps he is having discomfort in his back since he has sponylosis. But the hot spots have been all over his hind quarters and tail. Never in the same place twice. Poor guy has a super pluch coat but his hind quarter has 4 different coat lengths. So I am thinking it isnt that.

Nothing else has changed really that would make me deduce an allergy.

**angelaw** · 12-19-2008, 02:49 PM

See that's what I thought. Miss Duchess had bald spots on her back legs, spot on her hinney, spots of hair off her back, really coarse hair. I also thought she was losing sensation which is why she was chewing on her backsides.

She's suddenly developed allergies. I don't know if food or environmental. I didn't know dogs could get allergic to fish??? So I put her on chicken. I don't know if any of this has done any good yet as she got cortisone injected in her ear last wk so that's still in effect.

BUT I do know this about allergies (personal exp.) it can appear out of nowhere. So as I have a couple diff. formulas of food around, I moved her over for now to a diff. one. That doesn't work don't know what will, as I've already made tons of mods to my house, cleaning routine due to MY allergies, lol.

**Amaruq** · 12-19-2008, 09:07 PM

He is still bouncy and active so I am doubting that it is his back. It could be an allergy but nothing has changed here except the weather and he has had them during still warm/sun, cool/rain and freezing/snow. Both his vet and I are baffled by what is causing it. Vet said he has seen a lot of "weird" things the last several months.

LisaT · 12-19-2008, 11:16 PM

nerve issue......

**Amaruq** · 12-20-2008, 01:16 AM

No other indicatations of nerve issues. I only saw his back "damp" today in one spot, one time. I am tempted to call the vet and have them send me some more natural cortizone jic. His antibiotics will be done on Sunday (or Mon AM). Which if the pattern follows suit it would be right around Wed for everything to go wrong. Perhaps since I only saw what appeared to be him biting once earlier he just simply "had an itch" and will finally be through with all this stuff.

Brightelf · 12-20-2008, 05:29 AM

Is he on any vitamins or supplements for joints? Weird question I know, but-- with my last GSD I had been giving him "MoveFree" or "Flex-a-Min" from Walmart, a joint supplement for people. It had glucosamine and chrondroitin in it. Wellllllll... the fillers that hold the pills together, over time, set Chell up for hot spots and itching. I ran out of the pills... couldn't get out to get more, and.. the longstanding problem just stopped. The fillers giving pills their shape and consistency can have all sorts of yuck in them that dogs do not process well, and the skin tries to excrete it as best it can. Just a thought.

**JeanKBBMMMAAN** · 12-20-2008, 08:47 AM

It's not an infection either right? Like it does not look like a German Shepherd pyoderma, right?

http://www.vetontheweb.co.uk/pet-cli...ail.asp?id=331

I wonder if going to see the dermatology people at Cornell would help?

I love that dog!

12-19-2008, 02:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
Amaruq Moderator who has gone to the dogs Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Where I don't wanna be-NW PA Posts: 14,645	Chimo's itchies..... This is really beginning to baffle me as we cannot seem to find a CAUSE for it but there is one thing that I have finally figured out. Chimo has been having issues with hotspots again. This has been recurring from I think September. He will get one or two - off to the holistic vet and clears up. One of the meds that he gets is natural cortizone. He took his last one from the latest round yesterday AM. I see a spot that is wet from him already starting to bite again. There are NO fleas. This started a good month before the furnace kicked on for the first time so it isnt the two most common causes. This was either his third or fourth rounds of natural cortizone. He is also on natural antibiotics which he STILL has and is still taking. So it subtly starts after the cortizone is over. ANY ideas??? __________________ Ruq Paq Lakota, Chimo, Tika, Rayne, Kanuck, Jethro and Keyzah My Angels forever in my heart and watching over us: Phoenix 9/07 Kaylee Cheyenne 5/09

12-19-2008, 02:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
angelaw Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Brooksville, FL Posts: 15,225	Re: Chimo's itchies..... allergies? __________________ Angela http://www.vomlandholz.com Hardy, Diesel, Jet, Denial v. Zioner Berg, Iris & Patches the cats

12-19-2008, 02:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
Brightelf Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 9,357	Re: Chimo's itchies..... Okay, silly stupid question I am sure, but.. can it be something in the all-natural cortisone preparation? I know this started BEFORE the first application of the cortisone, but.. what is the carrier in the salve? Or, what is the binder/filler in the tablets, if it is tablet form? As for what started the itchies.. are the neighbors using autumn end-of-season garden or lawn treatments? Or, has a "tree doctor" been out to prepare, spray, etc trees at the neighbor's yards? __________________ Patti Frauchen von: Grimm van den Heuvel, aka "The Doofinator" My strong-minded, very loving boy

12-19-2008, 02:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
Amaruq Moderator who has gone to the dogs Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Where I don't wanna be-NW PA Posts: 14,645	Re: Chimo's itchies..... No treatments that I am aware of for the neighbors. I have NO clue what the allergies could be as it started pre-autumn and has continued with nearly continual snow/ice on the ground. The natural cortizone is in pill form. The NC clears up the itches and they start again after he is off of it. Usually REALLY soon after. I had thought that perhaps he is having discomfort in his back since he has sponylosis. But the hot spots have been all over his hind quarters and tail. Never in the same place twice. Poor guy has a super pluch coat but his hind quarter has 4 different coat lengths. So I am thinking it isnt that. Nothing else has changed really that would make me deduce an allergy. __________________ Ruq Paq Lakota, Chimo, Tika, Rayne, Kanuck, Jethro and Keyzah My Angels forever in my heart and watching over us: Phoenix 9/07 Kaylee Cheyenne 5/09

12-19-2008, 02:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
angelaw Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Brooksville, FL Posts: 15,225	Re: Chimo's itchies..... See that's what I thought. Miss Duchess had bald spots on her back legs, spot on her hinney, spots of hair off her back, really coarse hair. I also thought she was losing sensation which is why she was chewing on her backsides. She's suddenly developed allergies. I don't know if food or environmental. I didn't know dogs could get allergic to fish??? So I put her on chicken. I don't know if any of this has done any good yet as she got cortisone injected in her ear last wk so that's still in effect. BUT I do know this about allergies (personal exp.) it can appear out of nowhere. So as I have a couple diff. formulas of food around, I moved her over for now to a diff. one. That doesn't work don't know what will, as I've already made tons of mods to my house, cleaning routine due to MY allergies, lol. __________________ Angela http://www.vomlandholz.com Hardy, Diesel, Jet, Denial v. Zioner Berg, Iris & Patches the cats

12-19-2008, 09:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
Amaruq Moderator who has gone to the dogs Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Where I don't wanna be-NW PA Posts: 14,645	Re: Chimo's itchies..... He is still bouncy and active so I am doubting that it is his back. It could be an allergy but nothing has changed here except the weather and he has had them during still warm/sun, cool/rain and freezing/snow. Both his vet and I are baffled by what is causing it. Vet said he has seen a lot of "weird" things the last several months. __________________ Ruq Paq Lakota, Chimo, Tika, Rayne, Kanuck, Jethro and Keyzah My Angels forever in my heart and watching over us: Phoenix 9/07 Kaylee Cheyenne 5/09

12-19-2008, 11:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
LisaT Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Northern CA Posts: 17,002	Re: Chimo's itchies..... nerve issue...... __________________ K9 Tick Disease Information http://www.rabieschallengefund.org

12-20-2008, 01:16 AM	#8 (permalink)
Amaruq Moderator who has gone to the dogs Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Where I don't wanna be-NW PA Posts: 14,645	Re: Chimo's itchies..... No other indicatations of nerve issues. I only saw his back "damp" today in one spot, one time. I am tempted to call the vet and have them send me some more natural cortizone jic. His antibiotics will be done on Sunday (or Mon AM). Which if the pattern follows suit it would be right around Wed for everything to go wrong. Perhaps since I only saw what appeared to be him biting once earlier he just simply "had an itch" and will finally be through with all this stuff. __________________ Ruq Paq Lakota, Chimo, Tika, Rayne, Kanuck, Jethro and Keyzah My Angels forever in my heart and watching over us: Phoenix 9/07 Kaylee Cheyenne 5/09

12-20-2008, 05:29 AM	#9 (permalink)
Brightelf Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 9,357	Re: Chimo's itchies..... Is he on any vitamins or supplements for joints? Weird question I know, but-- with my last GSD I had been giving him "MoveFree" or "Flex-a-Min" from Walmart, a joint supplement for people. It had glucosamine and chrondroitin in it. Wellllllll... the fillers that hold the pills together, over time, set Chell up for hot spots and itching. I ran out of the pills... couldn't get out to get more, and.. the longstanding problem just stopped. The fillers giving pills their shape and consistency can have all sorts of yuck in them that dogs do not process well, and the skin tries to excrete it as best it can. Just a thought. __________________ Patti Frauchen von: Grimm van den Heuvel, aka "The Doofinator" My strong-minded, very loving boy

12-20-2008, 08:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
JeanKBBMMMAAN The Rescues Rule Administrator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,697	Re: Chimo's itchies..... It's not an infection either right? Like it does not look like a German Shepherd pyoderma, right? http://www.vetontheweb.co.uk/pet-cli...ail.asp?id=331 I wonder if going to see the dermatology people at Cornell would help? I love that dog! __________________ Help IMOM help Pets www.imom.org You can help Anna help IMOM help people help pets help people win...

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