Ransacking and Mad Munchies

**Amaruq** · 02-11-2009, 02:00 PM

OK Chimo is STILL getting into trouble when left home alone but ONLY when I am at work. I suspect the attacks on the desk are because the "desk" is also my "table". He was out this past Sunday and I came home to a suicidal Kayboard and mouse, both mysteriously hung themselves by their cords after JUMPING off the desk without any help according to the first paw reports I received. However, I suspect a cover up.

My friend and I just FINALLY got together for Christmas and the dogs received a Kitty Litter bucket full of goodies. A big kitty litter bucket. I figured it would be safe on my bed but somehow or another the lid on the bucket became separated from the rest of the bucket and many of the enclosed yummies were splattered over my bed.... the cow ear rawhides were everywhere but I have yet to find the package of three candy cane cookies.

There were three in a package, two dogs out so I hope they were kind enough to shove the extra one in someones crate. I doubt it.

So why in the world would a senior develop the mad munchies and turn my handsome perfect little angel into the desctructive little devil? I want my angel back! My computer does too.

BlackGSD · 02-11-2009, 02:16 PM

Because he is getting older and has been an angel and DESERVES to "loose his mind" occasionally!

My first female GSD NEVER ate food lift in the car with her. UNTIL she was 11yo and she decided to eat a Lemon fruit pie AND an entire LARGE package of Nutter Butters! All I could do was laugh. I figured after being SO good for 11 years, she DESERVED it.

**Amaruq** · 02-11-2009, 02:40 PM

I think it is his way of telling me I should be working from home.....Do you think my boss will buy that?

Boss: "So what would you like to work from home?"

Me: "Cuz my senior dog gets the mad munchies if I am gone for more than 4 or 5 hours and he ransacks the house."

Well that sounds perfectly logical to me but somehow I am thinking the boss will not understand.

3K9Mom · 02-11-2009, 08:16 PM

Thyroid?

When Zamboni was on too high of a dose of thyroxine, I caught her snooping through EVERYTHING for food and stealing anything she could get her paws on. She was a baaaaaad beagle! Her mood was also a little weird.

Now that we have her dose where it should be, she's back to being stubbornly, regally, the Queen. She just demands her treats -- like a good senior should. All that training about not begging? Eh, that's for young dogs. We seniors do as we please!

**Amaruq** · 02-12-2009, 01:07 AM

He shows NO other signs of thyroid.

LisaT · 02-12-2009, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted By: AmaruqHe shows NO other signs of thyroid.

The thyroid can be deceptive. When was it last checked?

pupresq · 02-12-2009, 02:33 AM

Grace did this kind of thing before she got on thyroid meds - and she was the total opposite of what low thyroid should be - she was underweight, ravenously hungry, and very sharp tempered. Soloxine fixed her right up though. Go figure. Thyroid is weird. Definitely worth checking on.

LisaT · 02-12-2009, 03:03 AM

In fact, it has been said that, the thyroid is typically 70% deteriorated by the time all the "classic" signs show outwardly. I believe that this process, from the onset of disease, to the classic symptoms showing, can take about a year a half, roughly.

I also believe that it was Dodman, the behaviorist, that showed that many of the behavior and aggression issues with the thyroid show in "low normal" cases.

3K9Mom · 02-12-2009, 03:10 AM

Lisa, do you have an article/citation for that info (the first part, about 70% deterioration, not the aggression part)?

LisaT · 02-12-2009, 03:27 AM

No reference, sorry. I heard it a Jean Dodds' seminar last Saturday. Just for you, I dug out my notes

....

"Early thyroid disease shows a strong behavior component -- moody, ADD, aggression, rage, pacificity, fear, etc.

It takes 1 year to 1 1/2 years of progression until you see the obvious signs of hypothyroidism. 70% or more of the gland to be damaged before you see the overweight, etc. "

"In the early inflammatory stage" where there is possibly thyroid swelling, you may see "nothing abnormal in the blood, may see swelling in an ultrasound"

There was also an earlier comment on how the thryoid controls the gastro-intestinal metabolism, which is why there are so many digestive disorders that accompany thyroid disease.

edit: a Dodds article that cites symptoms don't appear until more than 75% of the gland is destroyed: http://www.workingshelties.org/Hypot...Simplified.htm

similar info:

http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proce...4065&O=Generic

02-11-2009, 02:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
Amaruq Moderator who has gone to the dogs Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Where I don't wanna be-NW PA Posts: 14,645	Ransacking and Mad Munchies OK Chimo is STILL getting into trouble when left home alone but ONLY when I am at work. I suspect the attacks on the desk are because the "desk" is also my "table". He was out this past Sunday and I came home to a suicidal Kayboard and mouse, both mysteriously hung themselves by their cords after JUMPING off the desk without any help according to the first paw reports I received. However, I suspect a cover up. My friend and I just FINALLY got together for Christmas and the dogs received a Kitty Litter bucket full of goodies. A big kitty litter bucket. I figured it would be safe on my bed but somehow or another the lid on the bucket became separated from the rest of the bucket and many of the enclosed yummies were splattered over my bed.... the cow ear rawhides were everywhere but I have yet to find the package of three candy cane cookies. There were three in a package, two dogs out so I hope they were kind enough to shove the extra one in someones crate. I doubt it. So why in the world would a senior develop the mad munchies and turn my handsome perfect little angel into the desctructive little devil? I want my angel back! My computer does too. __________________ Ruq Paq Lakota, Chimo, Tika, Rayne, Kanuck, Jethro and Keyzah My Angels forever in my heart and watching over us: Phoenix 9/07 Kaylee Cheyenne 5/09

02-11-2009, 02:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
BlackGSD Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Eastern Washington Posts: 7,795	Re: Ransacking and Mad Munchies Because he is getting older and has been an angel and DESERVES to "loose his mind" occasionally! My first female GSD NEVER ate food lift in the car with her. UNTIL she was 11yo and she decided to eat a Lemon fruit pie AND an entire LARGE package of Nutter Butters! All I could do was laugh. I figured after being SO good for 11 years, she DESERVED it. __________________ Tracy Siren vom Banach { Sable female GSD 3-20-08} R.I.P. Wrangler male ACD/Aussie mix. 9-29-99 to8-29-11.

02-11-2009, 02:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
Amaruq Moderator who has gone to the dogs Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Where I don't wanna be-NW PA Posts: 14,645	Re: Ransacking and Mad Munchies I think it is his way of telling me I should be working from home.....Do you think my boss will buy that? Boss: "So what would you like to work from home?" Me: "Cuz my senior dog gets the mad munchies if I am gone for more than 4 or 5 hours and he ransacks the house." Well that sounds perfectly logical to me but somehow I am thinking the boss will not understand. __________________ Ruq Paq Lakota, Chimo, Tika, Rayne, Kanuck, Jethro and Keyzah My Angels forever in my heart and watching over us: Phoenix 9/07 Kaylee Cheyenne 5/09

02-11-2009, 08:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
3K9Mom Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,575	Re: Ransacking and Mad Munchies Thyroid? When Zamboni was on too high of a dose of thyroxine, I caught her snooping through EVERYTHING for food and stealing anything she could get her paws on. She was a baaaaaad beagle! Her mood was also a little weird. Now that we have her dose where it should be, she's back to being stubbornly, regally, the Queen. She just demands her treats -- like a good senior should. All that training about not begging? Eh, that's for young dogs. We seniors do as we please!

02-12-2009, 01:07 AM	#5 (permalink)
Amaruq Moderator who has gone to the dogs Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Where I don't wanna be-NW PA Posts: 14,645	Re: Ransacking and Mad Munchies He shows NO other signs of thyroid. __________________ Ruq Paq Lakota, Chimo, Tika, Rayne, Kanuck, Jethro and Keyzah My Angels forever in my heart and watching over us: Phoenix 9/07 Kaylee Cheyenne 5/09

02-12-2009, 02:33 AM	#7 (permalink)
pupresq Crowned Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,485	Re: Ransacking and Mad Munchies Grace did this kind of thing before she got on thyroid meds - and she was the total opposite of what low thyroid should be - she was underweight, ravenously hungry, and very sharp tempered. Soloxine fixed her right up though. Go figure. Thyroid is weird. Definitely worth checking on. __________________ http://www.brighterdaysforshelters.com Grace GSD Leo GSD

02-12-2009, 03:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
LisaT Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Northern CA Posts: 17,002	Re: Ransacking and Mad Munchies In fact, it has been said that, the thyroid is typically 70% deteriorated by the time all the "classic" signs show outwardly. I believe that this process, from the onset of disease, to the classic symptoms showing, can take about a year a half, roughly. I also believe that it was Dodman, the behaviorist, that showed that many of the behavior and aggression issues with the thyroid show in "low normal" cases. __________________ K9 Tick Disease Information http://www.rabieschallengefund.org

02-12-2009, 03:10 AM	#9 (permalink)
3K9Mom Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,575	Re: Ransacking and Mad Munchies Lisa, do you have an article/citation for that info (the first part, about 70% deterioration, not the aggression part)?

02-12-2009, 03:27 AM	#10 (permalink)
LisaT Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Northern CA Posts: 17,002	Re: Ransacking and Mad Munchies No reference, sorry. I heard it a Jean Dodds' seminar last Saturday. Just for you, I dug out my notes .... "Early thyroid disease shows a strong behavior component -- moody, ADD, aggression, rage, pacificity, fear, etc. It takes 1 year to 1 1/2 years of progression until you see the obvious signs of hypothyroidism. 70% or more of the gland to be damaged before you see the overweight, etc. " "In the early inflammatory stage" where there is possibly thyroid swelling, you may see "nothing abnormal in the blood, may see swelling in an ultrasound" There was also an earlier comment on how the thryoid controls the gastro-intestinal metabolism, which is why there are so many digestive disorders that accompany thyroid disease. edit: a Dodds article that cites symptoms don't appear until more than 75% of the gland is destroyed: http://www.workingshelties.org/Hypot...Simplified.htm similar info: http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proce...4065&O=Generic __________________ K9 Tick Disease Information http://www.rabieschallengefund.org

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