Can't do SAR if you do bite sports?

Verivus · 02-14-2013, 07:38 PM

Went to my 2nd SAR meeting last night and I really like the group, but I found out at the meeting that they do not allow dogs that have had any sort of training in bitework whether it's personal protection or IPO.

I really wanted to at least try both SAR & IPO with my next dog. I didn't realize it was going to be an either or situation. Do other SAR groups have this policy as well?

Neo93 · 02-14-2013, 07:50 PM

Our group does.

**jocoyn** · 02-14-2013, 07:59 PM

Our group does

wolfstraum · 02-14-2013, 08:00 PM

I think it is pretty common....insurance liability issues....I let a dog go to a co-owner...he was ready for his titles, I had put the BH on him....she did the Sch1, but then started working with a SAR trainer who made her choose between the two and she did SAR ....he is certified out the ears for SAR, but has never been on a real search to my knowledge....shame as he could have been a V KKL IPO3 dog and had alot of fun! So when you make your choice, make sure your group will actually go out and be utilized!

Lee

Verivus · 02-14-2013, 08:17 PM

My team definitely has call outs. They've had 3 since the last month's meeting. Guess I will have to think about it.

DinoBlue · 02-15-2013, 06:59 AM

My SAR group allows SchH titled dogs. BUT it's done on a "case by case" basis, all depending on the individual dog. I knew of a few more groups that does the same thing.

My wilderness dog is titled to a SchHII.

DinoBlue · 02-15-2013, 07:34 AM

Too late to edit, but I will add that we have since June been on 3 calls out, could have been more but I was not available to go. But we do get more call outs for HR searches than wilderness.

Shaolin · 02-15-2013, 09:19 PM

Our group allows Sch dogs on a case by case basis. They would rather not, but there were two ex-K9 officers in the group who were some of the best SAR dogs I've ever seen, so they had a few more restrictions than the regular members, but it worked well.

LifeofRiley · 02-15-2013, 09:26 PM

Interesting. I started a thread a few weeks ago about why some shelters/rescues have policies about dogs they adopt out not participating in bite sports.

I assumed it was for liability issues similar to the ones Wolfstraum mentioned. This is further confirmation of that.

LifeofRiley · 02-15-2013, 09:33 PM

I should clarify that I was speaking of some shelters/rescues that I know of that specifically state that any dog adopted from their organization is contractually not permitted to take part in bite sport training.

I am NOT saying that they will not adopt out dogs they may know to have had that training in the past... assuming the dog passes the temperament tests they administer.

02-14-2013, 07:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
Verivus Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,098	Can't do SAR if you do bite sports? Went to my 2nd SAR meeting last night and I really like the group, but I found out at the meeting that they do not allow dogs that have had any sort of training in bitework whether it's personal protection or IPO. I really wanted to at least try both SAR & IPO with my next dog. I didn't realize it was going to be an either or situation. Do other SAR groups have this policy as well? __________________ Chrissy Pookie, Papillon 4/17/09 Kaiser, GSD 4/14/11

02-14-2013, 07:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
jocoyn Zombie Queen Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 11,889	Our group does __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Beau -NAPWDA Certified Cadaver Dog Waiting at the Bridge (italics=GSDs) (hemangiosarcoma=blue):Grim , Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles

02-14-2013, 08:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 8,217	I think it is pretty common....insurance liability issues....I let a dog go to a co-owner...he was ready for his titles, I had put the BH on him....she did the Sch1, but then started working with a SAR trainer who made her choose between the two and she did SAR ....he is certified out the ears for SAR, but has never been on a real search to my knowledge....shame as he could have been a V KKL IPO3 dog and had alot of fun! So when you make your choice, make sure your group will actually go out and be utilized! Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Komet, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB~ Kougar Sch3, Kyra Sch3, Cito Sch2, Alice Sch1, Kelsey CD, Ret ~ Basha Sch3, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

02-14-2013, 08:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
Verivus Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,098	My team definitely has call outs. They've had 3 since the last month's meeting. Guess I will have to think about it. __________________ Chrissy Pookie, Papillon 4/17/09 Kaiser, GSD 4/14/11

02-15-2013, 06:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
DinoBlue Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 1,552	My SAR group allows SchH titled dogs. BUT it's done on a "case by case" basis, all depending on the individual dog. I knew of a few more groups that does the same thing. My wilderness dog is titled to a SchHII. __________________ ~Charlotte~ Eyra v Wildhaus, SchHII, SAR D'Artagnan, SchHI, TR2 Olek Maxwell Brown ~

02-14-2013, 07:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
Neo93 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Georgia Posts: 172	Our group does.

02-15-2013, 07:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
DinoBlue Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 1,552	Too late to edit, but I will add that we have since June been on 3 calls out, could have been more but I was not available to go. But we do get more call outs for HR searches than wilderness. __________________ ~Charlotte~ Eyra v Wildhaus, SchHII, SAR D'Artagnan, SchHI, TR2 Olek Maxwell Brown ~

02-15-2013, 09:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Shaolin Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Great Mills, MD Posts: 1,003	Our group allows Sch dogs on a case by case basis. They would rather not, but there were two ex-K9 officers in the group who were some of the best SAR dogs I've ever seen, so they had a few more restrictions than the regular members, but it worked well. __________________ RIP Sebastian GSD/Rott 5/12/2002 RIP Cheyenne The Western Lady Collie 9/6/2012 Finnian The Irish Lad WGSD: SAR Abeni the Little Warrior: Pomeranian rescue. "Res nos operor ut alius algo" "Go mairidís beo"

02-15-2013, 09:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
LifeofRiley Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 471	Interesting. I started a thread a few weeks ago about why some shelters/rescues have policies about dogs they adopt out not participating in bite sports. I assumed it was for liability issues similar to the ones Wolfstraum mentioned. This is further confirmation of that.

02-15-2013, 09:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
LifeofRiley Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 471	I should clarify that I was speaking of some shelters/rescues that I know of that specifically state that any dog adopted from their organization is contractually not permitted to take part in bite sport training. I am NOT saying that they will not adopt out dogs they may know to have had that training in the past... assuming the dog passes the temperament tests they administer.

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