Can't do SAR if you do bite sports?

[Verivus]

Didn't realize this thread was still ongoing. Thanks for the link Nancy, it was a good read. I do understand where they're coming from by not allowing any dogs that have done bitework since the average person doesn't understand it. I guess I just never really thought of it before, so that's why I was surprised.

[jocoyn]

Yeah, the average person is on a jury, too......In some ways I would rather have dogs who have had some pressure put on them so we find their underlying issues. Not necessarily the time investing doing schutzhund training but weeding out dogs who may react under REALISTIC pressures.

The friendly lab who jumps on granny and breaks her hip is perceived differently than a GSD who may bite someone going on the offense.

[martemchik]

Originally Posted by Mrs.K

That right there shows, that you need to learn a heck of a lot about Schutzhund Training.

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I am getting so sick and tired of people saying that our dogs will run down a running victim and attack. Come on gimme a break!

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Here's the thing...you trust the dogs YOU'VE trained and the people YOU'VE trained with. Not everyone is like that.

And to tell you the truth...when I went to watch my region's Schutzhund trial (the one to qualify for nationals) I was not very impressed. There we dogs skipping blinds, there were dogs that kept biting the sleeve when they weren't supposed to, there were dogs that needed 3 or more commands to out...so yeah, to someone from the "public" it really didn't look impressive or even safe. The handlers looked like they had NO control over their dogs as soon as the bite work started.

By the way...I live in the North, and the trial was being held at a club that has a very very very well respected helper and trainer.

It has nothing to do with convincing the SAR team or the public. It has to do with the insurance company and people that have to pay millions of dollars when a dog makes a mistake. So as much as you want to scream the glory of Schutzhund (and trust me I'm all for it), it makes all the sense in the world why Schutzhund teams don't want dogs trained in bite sport.

I should add...all the dogs I saw at the trial...got passing scores for their obedience and their protection. The ones that didn't get a title failed the tracking portion. The mistakes I saw those dogs make in protection...lost them a point or two...and didn't just NQ them (I'm coming from AKC obedience where not making a jump will NQ you). From my point of view...and the public's point of view...it looks bad when a dog consistently bites the helper even when not told to and still gets 90+ points.

[ladylaw203]

All dogs are capable of biting. My dog karo is IRO titled sar ad well as ZVV1. He is a prey dog. Not civil. Nobody has any problem using him. I have some retrjevers that would bite if someone slapped them. It is about the individual dog