Pseudoscents?

Lenny · 01-20-2010, 02:39 PM

Has anyone used them? I don't want to get into a debate about to use them or not.

My question is how long do they last? If you apply the scent on an item can you use it for more than one training session if kept correctly? Or are they one and done?

**jocoyn** · 01-21-2010, 09:30 AM

In the tone of your question -

They do last for months if put in a small container and sealed after each use and the use is that they are out only for a short time [not hours]

My concern - since it is an artificial collection of scent - even if it is "on target" at the beginning, the composition will change significantly as the light volatiles blow off more quickly than the semivolatiles.....so is the odor on day 1 the same as the odor on day 30? Couldnt be. Is that significant? IDK.

Human remains will have a constantly changing pattern but there is source material to generate new odor for a loooooong time.

Lenny · 01-21-2010, 10:29 AM

Thank you for your reply.
Here's my situation: I'm not involved with a team right now. I'm looking to join one before summer. Got married, got a house and now things are settling down to the point that I have the time. My dog is too old to train with a team. She's 7.5. I wanted to train my dog just for "fun" if you will but getting the experience of training a HRD. So I won't have the access to real materials and wouldn't want to deal with handling them right now. So it would just be for the training experience. I won't be taking the stand with my dog.

After being with a team a year or so I'll look for a young rescue to train on the real stuff.
Thanks again

**jocoyn** · 01-21-2010, 12:46 PM

Refreshing to see someone waiting to get a dog until AFTER they are on a team!

**ladylaw203** · 01-21-2010, 07:56 PM

If you are only interested in the experience of training the dog to find scent, just train the dog to locate and come to final response on his ball. Psuedo is very expensive and is worthless after 30minutes. It is cadaverine and putrecine in an alcohol carrier which is why is pretty worthless.These are produced by an animal decomposing as well. The thing is, if you just want to train for fun,use animal remains or something. Why spend all that money? Just a thought

Lenny · 01-22-2010, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted By: ladylaw203 Psuedo is very expensive and is worthless after 30minutes. The thing is, if you just want to train for fun,use animal remains or something. Why spend all that money? Just a thought

Good point and this is why I was wondering how long they lasted. If I was going to have to spend $100 a month I would just train her to find something else like diamonds, gold or hundred dollar bills.

But if it lasted awhile I just wanted as realistic a HRD training experience as I could get.

**ladylaw203** · 01-22-2010, 07:03 PM

Buy a cheap bone from skulls unlimited. that should work

Lenny · 01-25-2010, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted By: ladylaw203Buy a cheap bone from skulls unlimited. that should work

That's a good idea. Thanks.

Lenny · 01-27-2010, 12:09 PM

Skulls Unlimited is FedEx-ing me a clavicle. I thought it woudl be a handy size to put in a scent tube. I'm currently reading the Cadaver Dog Handbook. I'm excited!
It's going to feel creepy having a human bone... outsiede of my skin anyway.

**ladylaw203** · 01-27-2010, 04:06 PM

I have a skeleton in my closet...............
seriously,that should work.

01-20-2010, 02:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
Lenny Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 389	Pseudoscents? Has anyone used them? I don't want to get into a debate about to use them or not. My question is how long do they last? If you apply the scent on an item can you use it for more than one training session if kept correctly? Or are they one and done?

01-21-2010, 09:30 AM	#2 (permalink)
jocoyn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 8,052	Re: Pseudoscents? In the tone of your question - They do last for months if put in a small container and sealed after each use and the use is that they are out only for a short time [not hours] My concern - since it is an artificial collection of scent - even if it is "on target" at the beginning, the composition will change significantly as the light volatiles blow off more quickly than the semivolatiles.....so is the odor on day 1 the same as the odor on day 30? Couldnt be. Is that significant? IDK. Human remains will have a constantly changing pattern but there is source material to generate new odor for a loooooong time. __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Grim (Grimmy Bear) & Beau (Bo-dee man) Waiting at the Bridge: Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles

01-21-2010, 10:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
Lenny Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 389	Re: Pseudoscents? Thank you for your reply. Here's my situation: I'm not involved with a team right now. I'm looking to join one before summer. Got married, got a house and now things are settling down to the point that I have the time. My dog is too old to train with a team. She's 7.5. I wanted to train my dog just for "fun" if you will but getting the experience of training a HRD. So I won't have the access to real materials and wouldn't want to deal with handling them right now. So it would just be for the training experience. I won't be taking the stand with my dog. After being with a team a year or so I'll look for a young rescue to train on the real stuff. Thanks again

01-21-2010, 12:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
jocoyn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 8,052	Re: Pseudoscents? Refreshing to see someone waiting to get a dog until AFTER they are on a team! __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Grim (Grimmy Bear) & Beau (Bo-dee man) Waiting at the Bridge: Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles

01-21-2010, 07:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
ladylaw203 Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Beaumont,Texas Posts: 4,752	Re: Pseudoscents? If you are only interested in the experience of training the dog to find scent, just train the dog to locate and come to final response on his ball. Psuedo is very expensive and is worthless after 30minutes. It is cadaverine and putrecine in an alcohol carrier which is why is pretty worthless.These are produced by an animal decomposing as well. The thing is, if you just want to train for fun,use animal remains or something. Why spend all that money? Just a thought __________________ Renee Utley Port Authority Police KaroSkocickaSamotaZM,ZOP,ZPU,FPR,FPR,ZVV1,ZZZ,ZZP, RHE,ZM TART, IRO titled SAR dog ZVV1 Gabbi Mariko Bohemia ZVV1 Jessy Vikar www.nndda.org, Certifying official http://www.voneintzeshepherds.com

01-22-2010, 07:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
ladylaw203 Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Beaumont,Texas Posts: 4,752	Re: Pseudoscents? Buy a cheap bone from skulls unlimited. that should work __________________ Renee Utley Port Authority Police KaroSkocickaSamotaZM,ZOP,ZPU,FPR,FPR,ZVV1,ZZZ,ZZP, RHE,ZM TART, IRO titled SAR dog ZVV1 Gabbi Mariko Bohemia ZVV1 Jessy Vikar www.nndda.org, Certifying official http://www.voneintzeshepherds.com

01-27-2010, 12:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lenny Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 389	Re: Pseudoscents? Skulls Unlimited is FedEx-ing me a clavicle. I thought it woudl be a handy size to put in a scent tube. I'm currently reading the Cadaver Dog Handbook. I'm excited! It's going to feel creepy having a human bone... outsiede of my skin anyway.

01-27-2010, 04:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
ladylaw203 Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Beaumont,Texas Posts: 4,752	Re: Pseudoscents? I have a skeleton in my closet............... seriously,that should work. __________________ Renee Utley Port Authority Police KaroSkocickaSamotaZM,ZOP,ZPU,FPR,FPR,ZVV1,ZZZ,ZZP, RHE,ZM TART, IRO titled SAR dog ZVV1 Gabbi Mariko Bohemia ZVV1 Jessy Vikar www.nndda.org, Certifying official http://www.voneintzeshepherds.com

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