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Old 07-24-2014, 09:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys im just wondering what is the different between IPO 1/2/3 and K9 unit for police training ? I maybe wrong but it seems like dogs who go to IPO training only attack sleeves when they see it but police dogs will kick someone's ass w/o sleeves or the thick jacket.
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I think that's the point....
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How many training sessions of either side have you been on? How many dogs of either side have you seen work?
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How many training sessions of either side have you been on? How many dogs of either side have you seen work?
None just by posts here on the forum. am i wrong ?
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It all depends on the training. IPO dogs have to bite sleeve or be DQ'd in trial. IPO dogs can also learn to bite suit/hidden sleeve...all depends on the training and clarity that the dog has.
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Go to a class and observe, if they allow it. Their dogs who are trained to disarm(carrying a weapon), they also have contraband smellers, and then there are those who take down dangerous people and will keep the person down until called off. There are rescue dogs, and cadaver dogs. endless possibilities with this breeds intelligence and drive.
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difference in agitators -- which are not "helpers" , not friends before and not friends after .
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None just by posts here on the forum. am i wrong ?
Yeah. You have to go to trainings, see the dogs. You'll see, and hopefully the helper will give you some idea of what kind of dog you're dealing with.

It’s all about training. And most sport people could care less if their dog is a “real” dog or not. It’s all about sport and points. So why does the dog need to be trained to actually bite?

Police dogs are started the same way sport dogs are. Sleeve, jacket, suit. Doesn’t matter. They’re started with a flirt pole and a bite pillow. They get more pressure put on them to see if they’ll hold up in a “real fight” but you can do that just as easily in IPO training…just ask a helper to do it and they will. Advanced dogs can have a hidden sleeve slipped to them and see if they’ll bite it. I have a more “sleeve focused” dog because he was started late and truly does look at it as a game. He’s still got plenty of fight drive, and he doesn’t slip off the sleeve when weird pressure is put on him, but he’s 100% sleeve focused. He’s bitten a hidden sleeve before. It’s a fun exercise…most dogs will do it if the helper presents it correctly.

There are inherent genetic things that police K9s and military dogs need to have over sport dogs. It doesn’t mean that a sport dog can’t have those things as well…but at the end of the day, a sport dog doesn’t have as high of an expectation as those dogs do, so there’s no reason to train the way that K9 or military does. I do the sport for fun, for myself, and to have some idea of what my dog is capable of. But lives are never at stake when my dog is “working” so there’s really no need to train him to that level or test him to a level that might make him break and then I can’t enjoy what I like to do with him if he doesn’t have the genetic capability to take whatever the helper (or myself) decide to throw at him.
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Yeah. You have to go to trainings, see the dogs. You'll see, and hopefully the helper will give you some idea of what kind of dog you're dealing with.

It’s all about training. And most sport people could care less if their dog is a “real” dog or not. It’s all about sport and points. So why does the dog need to be trained to actually bite?

Police dogs are started the same way sport dogs are. Sleeve, jacket, suit. Doesn’t matter. They’re started with a flirt pole and a bite pillow. They get more pressure put on them to see if they’ll hold up in a “real fight” but you can do that just as easily in IPO training…just ask a helper to do it and they will. Advanced dogs can have a hidden sleeve slipped to them and see if they’ll bite it. I have a more “sleeve focused” dog because he was started late and truly does look at it as a game. He’s still got plenty of fight drive, and he doesn’t slip off the sleeve when weird pressure is put on him, but he’s 100% sleeve focused. He’s bitten a hidden sleeve before. It’s a fun exercise…most dogs will do it if the helper presents it correctly.

There are inherent genetic things that police K9s and military dogs need to have over sport dogs. It doesn’t mean that a sport dog can’t have those things as well…but at the end of the day, a sport dog doesn’t have as high of an expectation as those dogs do, so there’s no reason to train the way that K9 or military does. I do the sport for fun, for myself, and to have some idea of what my dog is capable of. But lives are never at stake when my dog is “working” so there’s really no need to train him to that level or test him to a level that might make him break and then I can’t enjoy what I like to do with him if he doesn’t have the genetic capability to take whatever the helper (or myself) decide to throw at him.
Thanks guys for the info cause i saw a lady post the other day . She had 2 german shepherd who go through IPO training but when some drunk guy get in her car and she was so afraid even yelling.. the dog just sat there. So i was wondering what does the police do differently . I guess genetic and hidden sleeve does make sense.
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That sounds like that dog, not the average sport dog. If someone tried to enter my car with my IPO dog it wouldn't end well for them.
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