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Old 05-21-2014, 06:21 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I did a protection challenge and I don't normally train in the scenarios that were presented. NOT SDA or IPO stuff, just some fun protection exercises.
My dog will bite a suit(armpit unless an arm is presented) and I have no doubt he'd do leg bites if he was told to.
What confused him during that challenge was the passive bite....decoy walking away from the dog in an non-threatening manner and the the dog is commanded to bite. Karlo didn't know what to do because we never, ever trained for that. After the decoy made a movement, of course K engaged. We had to call off the dog and redirect to another decoy who was rushing up at the handler. If the dog got to the decoy before the decoy made it to the handler, all points were given.
This type of exercise was really fun, the dogs are challenged more and have to think.
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Jane" we used to teach multiple attacks coming from three people too teach protect the handler" it really teaches them too be aware of the surroundings" and build confidence" bond " and think! Plus great fun for everyone! Plus too think and learn" I tell you its fun too talk" and work" with like minded smart" good people Bill

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and outing is worthy when there is more game to catch. When we did this the first decoy was quite far from me to send the dog, the second decoy was closer to me, the dog had to pass the second decoy who was also passive at the time. It is a thinking exercise.
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I say it depends on the dog. My female, who is only 1 year old and is just starting bite work, will bite with joy. No sleeve required.
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Yes on the outing!

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I say it depends on the dog. My female, who is only 1 year old and is just starting bite work, will bite with joy. No sleeve required.
Thats why it is important to teach a youngster the sleeve is the place to bite if doing IPO. My dog was the same way when younger, he needed to know he couldn't do leg bites or other areas, just the sleeve. He learned fast.
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It does depend on the dog I.m.o. I have a west German show line they say are not much anymore well I'm sure that's probably true about most" but not all" same with any sport dog most live for one thing the sleeve" but not all" their are the few that would take it to you if they thought you were a threat" but without a sleeve they might have to be taught. I think good dogs come from all lines and any shepherd with good balance" that's what they are supposed to be.
Can do protection work' and be good" if trained right! J.m.o. Bill

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Old 05-21-2014, 09:08 PM   #18 (permalink)
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And everytime I see that in SDA it makes me cringe. There isn't much padding in a suit sleeve. I have scars on my bicep from suit bites. There is no way on earth I'm taking a forearm bite in my suit. Folks don't realize how hard a dog can bite, just the pressure... My male's grand sire was notorious for breaking forearms on the street ... I train mine to target bicep/armpit from the front, or tricep from the rear... so for the OP, you can see a dog can be trained "if sleeve present, bite sleeve. If jacket, bite armpit." etc.
I agree and also train the armpit or collar bone (prefer armpit but sometimes if the dog is really jacked he wants to get nearer the juggular, lol), but having done so much foundation in IPO and IPO first, the dog basically bites what is presented. If nothing, like more of a passive bite where the helper is provoking the dog with his overall presence or veeeery subtle movements, dog will bite the target I want. If he raises and arm or "presents" it though, the dog bites the arm. I do feel kinda bad but the decoys seem to think it's cool to come away all bruised and punctured through the suit.
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I agree and also train the armpit or collar bone (prefer armpit but sometimes if the dog is really jacked he wants to get nearer the juggular, lol), but having done so much foundation in IPO and IPO first, the dog basically bites what is presented. If nothing, like more of a passive bite where the helper is provoking the dog with his overall presence or veeeery subtle movements, dog will bite the target I want. If he raises and arm or "presents" it though, the dog bites the arm. I do feel kinda bad but the decoys seem to think it's cool to come away all bruised and punctured through the suit.
Collar bone? Never gonna work your dog... Too close to my neck lol. Never heard of collar bone.

With the suit work I *only* allow bicep/pit bites... Anywhere else is immediate out. More for safety than anything else.
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And everytime I see that in SDA it makes me cringe. There isn't much padding in a suit sleeve. I have scars on my bicep from suit bites. There is no way on earth I'm taking a forearm bite in my suit. Folks don't realize how hard a dog can bite, just the pressure... My male's grand sire was notorious for breaking forearms on the street ... I train mine to target bicep/armpit from the front, or tricep from the rear... so for the OP, you can see a dog can be trained "if sleeve present, bite sleeve. If jacket, bite armpit." etc. A helper failed to get a pillow out quickly with Katya and took a thigh bite from her in scratch pants... and we've never done a single leg bite... so some dogs, are getting their bite come **** or high water.

The SDA forearm suit bites do hurt. There is a technique to it to keep from breaking bones. Not saying it doesn't hurt, but no breaks. I have caught some VERY hard biting dogs and my arms are still intact. Also in SDA the dog is allowed to bite forearm or bicep/tricep in the suit. That being said, my puppies are bicep dogs on the suit. If a sleeve is presented, they will take that.
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