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Old 05-21-2014, 06:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Lol, ok. 10 it is.
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Old 05-21-2014, 06:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Yeah, keep your weight on your back foot. Lean away from her. Get a longer line too, more like 12'. Its easier if you aren't right up close to her, back just a little bit from where you are.

Are you cradling her before you out & kick the wedge?
Hi Steve,

I actually learned cradling that day, but I may be doing it wrong because every time we stopped, she tried to whip the wedge side to side, like she is shaking & killing a rabbit.. if that makes sense. He said my cradling looked more like a BJJ choke, and to put my hand under her chin rather than putting my arm around her throat/neck.

[what is the purpose of cradling?]

I am trying to recall... the first couple of bites, after she got the wedge, I jogged in a circle with her (and I had to jog fast, because she wanted to do that side to side whipping motion), then outed it. The trainer instructed me to cradle my dog the 4th time, but for 5th one we just jogged a circle and right her back to the crate with the wedge in her mouth.
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Hi Steve,

I actually learned cradling that day, but I may be doing it wrong because every time we stopped, she tried to whip the wedge side to side, like she is shaking & killing a rabbit.. if that makes sense. He said my cradling looked more like a BJJ choke, and to put my hand under her chin rather than putting my arm around her throat/neck.

[what is the purpose of cradling?]

I am trying to recall... the first couple of bites, after she got the wedge, I jogged in a circle with her (and I had to jog fast, because she wanted to do that side to side whipping motion), then outed it. The trainer instructed me to cradle my dog the 4th time, but for 5th one we just jogged a circle and right her back to the crate with the wedge in her mouth.
When you're cradling, lean your head back or look away... if the dog thrashes your face will thank me
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As you can see here, I've got a deep stance, and I often use my guide hand to lift up or push down on the leash to act as a spring to absorb the shock of the dog hitting the end of the leash. Note the anchor hand is low and under my butt.. super important. Note my rear leg is weighted

This is close to how I stand, too.

I hear you, though... I have bad carpal tunnel in both wrists and my hand/wrist strength is terrible so I maintain a deep stance and put most of my weight on the half farthest from the helper, I really push weight down on my farthest leg and the hip, and practically sit on the line.
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This is close to how I stand, too.

I hear you, though... I have bad carpal tunnel in both wrists and my hand/wrist strength is terrible so I maintain a deep stance and put most of my weight on the half farthest from the helper, I really push weight down on my farthest leg and the hip, and practically sit on the line.
Thats the idea. Thats why repellers do it that way.
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Cradling, just like carrying, prevents the "kill shake" it teaches the dog to be calm on the sleeve and prevents an early out while moving away from prey mode.

Your helper should be re-engaging with the bite wedge, pulling back on it while you provide tension on the leash. That way, the dog knows if it loosens the grip...it loses the wedge. While you're doing this (essentially playing tug with the dog as the rope), you slowly come up and cradle the dog. This calms her and also prevents the kill shake. This will also prevent an early out. You want the dog to hold the wedge until you say.

If you notice the dog mouthing as you're cradling...you want to choke the dog off the wedge so that it learns that if it starts to mouth it, it loses the toy.

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Thanks for the suggestions. I will definitely be more mindful of anchoring the leash securely under my butt cheek and keep my head away when I cradle her. I could totally see that being a noob mistake.
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Yeah, like Hunter said. Watch your face. One thing you can do, take another lap. You want to ease into the cradle as best you can and its not always easy on a harness if she's thrashing it while she's moving, but move out again and try and ease her into it. Maybe just pet her a little. Maybe the helper will keep her on the bite and have you calmly walk in and cradle to help you. Practice with a toy away from the field.

In real general terms, cradling is to settle her down.
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To be perfectly honest, I don't cradle either of mine (got too tired of looking like I was getting beat up every day). If they hold it calmly, they may keep it. If they get chewing or back off of it, I make them out it. Simple, no bruised face, same end result.
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Try this same stance as hunter" except you let the line run around your butt" your rear end and hip on the side you are holding holds the dog " doesn't take much hand strength " run your fingers through the leash make a fist thumb on top! Bill

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