increase drive during OB?? - German Shepherd Dog Forums

Increase font size: 0, 10, 25, 50%

GermanShepherds.com is the premier German Shepherd Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 05-13-2014, 05:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Liz&Anna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 372
Default increase drive during OB??

My friend has a 2 year old Czech line male GSD, she got him for the intention of IPO, and they go for her BH next month (which I know he will get) her and I have constant conversation about one thing that frustrates her though, he doesn't have **that** focus you see other GSD's have or that intensity, like that bounce in his step, I know you IPO people know what I mean, the thing that everyone wants!

Her trainers tell her to crate him basically 24/7 unless she's working him- to crate him, that's a bit out of the question as he is her pet, not JUST her working dog, I'm going to class with her tomorrow and ill get some videos so you all can see better.

My trainer tells me, play play play!! With Anna everything is play, but my dog is also 8 months old, so basically I'm looking for some advice for her since there is always lots of it here!

Any one know how to increase focus/intensity with out lots of crate time?

Any tips or advice is greatly appreciated


increase drive during OB??-imageuploadedbypg-free1400018147.443053.jpg

increase drive during OB??-imageuploadedbypg-free1400018163.320983.jpg






Sent from Petguide.com Free App
Attached Thumbnails
increase drive during OB??-imageuploadedbypg-free1400018191.531949.jpg  
Liz&Anna is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 05-13-2014, 06:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
Member
 
Bane Vom Vox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 158
Default

One of the methods I use, involves having the dog at a Foos. Then throwing their favorite toy/tug down the field. You then practice some OB and give the reward command (they fly to the toy) then when they return play tug with them and make a big deal about it.

My dog gets so drivey (not sure if that's even a word) as though he is doing protection work. He's on edge waiting to get rewarded.


Sent from Petguide.com Free App
Bane Vom Vox is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-13-2014, 06:21 PM   #3 (permalink)
Crowned Member
 
onyx'girl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SW, MI
Posts: 24,310
Default

Tease him up with a ball, he misses, tuck that ball under the armpit and command fuss. A few steps of fussing, reward/tug/lift to out and repeat.
Czech dogs tend to be a bit suspicious, very aware of the surroundings and not real high in prey drive(I know, generalizing here!) so getting that engagement and focus takes some work.
I know if I gave my dog less freedom, more crate time, he'd probably be a different dog on the field, but I don't want to do the deprivation stuff either...would rather engage him and bring up the ethusiasm to work on my own.
__________________
Jane~
Kept by Onyx, Kacie and Karlo
onyx'girl is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-13-2014, 06:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
Administrator & LOTR Addict
 
lhczth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Michigan, USA
Posts: 15,427
Default

I would really need to see what she is doing. Most of the time, except in the case with dogs that lack a desire to work with their handler, the dogs get bored and lose drive because the handler/training is boring. Does your friend use a lure so the dog is working for the reward or do they pop out the toy, give food/praise, at random times (I tend to use it for best effort or if I know the dog can go flat in a certain sport) so the dog is working to earn the reward? There is a huge difference. Too many trainers do the former (which is why crazy toy driven dogs are favored in OB) instead of the latter. If done right a dog should build drive and get pushier throughout the routine.

I would crate the dog before training and afterwards. Otherwise, no, I do not believe in creating drive through deprivation. There are better ways to achieve things.
__________________
Lisa Clark
Zu Treuen Händen Working German Shepherd Dogs
Vala SchH3 AWD1 FH2 CGC B/HOT, SG1 Deja IPO3 AWD1 KKL1 B/HOT, SG Elena BH AD CGC B/HOT, LB (the ugly little sable) B/HOT, Donovan IPO1 TR2 AD, and gone but not forgotten, Nike SchH1 OB1 TR3 AD CGC HOT, Treue SchH3 CD CGC HOT




lhczth is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-13-2014, 06:30 PM   #5 (permalink)
Administrator & LOTR Addict
 
lhczth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Michigan, USA
Posts: 15,427
Default

BTW, what Bane suggests can work very well for some toy driven dogs.
__________________
Lisa Clark
Zu Treuen Händen Working German Shepherd Dogs
Vala SchH3 AWD1 FH2 CGC B/HOT, SG1 Deja IPO3 AWD1 KKL1 B/HOT, SG Elena BH AD CGC B/HOT, LB (the ugly little sable) B/HOT, Donovan IPO1 TR2 AD, and gone but not forgotten, Nike SchH1 OB1 TR3 AD CGC HOT, Treue SchH3 CD CGC HOT




lhczth is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-13-2014, 06:31 PM   #6 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Liz&Anna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 372
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bane Vom Vox View Post
One of the methods I use, involves having the dog at a Foos. Then throwing their favorite toy/tug down the field. You then practice some OB and give the reward command (they fly to the toy) then when they return play tug with them and make a big deal about it.

My dog gets so drivey (not sure if that's even a word) as though he is doing protection work. He's on edge waiting to get rewarded.


Sent from Petguide.com Free App
He does work much better for a tug, her original trainer wanted to to use only food (????) and got really mad when she found out charline was working des for a tug. But he seemed to have a bit more fun, from what I've seen when he works he looks submissive, he will keep his ears flat back, my dog is very alert ears up, could this have anything to do with it? She never corrects him harshly, or handles him to rough and he is a beast in protection. Could he be in a submissive state while he's working and that is effecting his drive?


Sent from Petguide.com Free App
Liz&Anna is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-13-2014, 06:34 PM   #7 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Liz&Anna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 372
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by onyx'girl View Post
Tease him up with a ball, he misses, tuck that ball under the armpit and command fuss. A few steps of fussing, reward/tug/lift to out and repeat.
Czech dogs tend to be a bit suspicious, very aware of the surroundings and not real high in prey drive(I know, generalizing here!) so getting that engagement and focus takes some work.
I know if I gave my dog less freedom, more crate time, he'd probably be a different dog on the field, but I don't want to do the deprivation stuff either...would rather engage him and bring up the ethusiasm to work on my own.
I don't think he is as ball driven he doesn't get as excited as my dog. We tried holding him back from the ball and getting him excited and if did work for a second or to but it wasn't long lasting, if she works him this way every day from now on would his drive build more and more or would he always need that firing up before hand?


Sent from Petguide.com Free App
Liz&Anna is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-13-2014, 06:37 PM   #8 (permalink)
Master Member
 
bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 732
Default

Give him a coupl 1;e of days off " dont play with him just let him be a dog' then ask him if he wants to work in a
Excited tone keep the heeling short at first' quit on a good note ' then play play play do it every time. He will want to work so he can play after. Works for me to get the happy attention! Good luck! Bill

Sent from Petguide.com Free App
bill is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-13-2014, 06:39 PM   #9 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Liz&Anna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 372
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lhczth View Post
I would really need to see what she is doing. Most of the time, except in the case with dogs that lack a desire to work with their handler, the dogs get bored and lose drive because the handler/training is boring. Does your friend use a lure so the dog is working for the reward or do they pop out the toy, give food/praise, at random times (I tend to use it for best effort or if I know the dog can go flat in a certain sport) so the dog is working to earn the reward? There is a huge difference. Too many trainers do the former (which is why crazy toy driven dogs are favored in OB) instead of the latter. If done right a dog should build drive and get pushier throughout the routine.

I would crate the dog before training and afterwards. Otherwise, no, I do not believe in creating drive through deprivation. There are better ways to achieve things.
She will ask for fuss walk a bit and I will spot- the SECOND he lifts his front legs a bit higher (looking happy) she will pull the tug out and reward right away. WE were going to try switching for a bit and having me handle him to see if he looks better with me, but haven't tried that yet. I just couldn't believe how mad her trainer got when she found out we used a tug, they basically had a big argument about it! All I've ever heard from my trainer was to play so I thought it would help, her argument was "you aren't going to have to toy on trial day" and my friend replied with....I won't have treats on trial day either (LOL)


Sent from Petguide.com Free App
Liz&Anna is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-13-2014, 06:40 PM   #10 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Liz&Anna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 372
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bill View Post
Give him a coupl 1;e of days off " dont play with him just let him be a dog' then ask him if he wants to work in a
Excited tone keep the heeling short at first' quit on a good note ' then play play play do it every time. He will want to work so he can play after. Works for me to get the happy attention! Good luck! Bill

Sent from Petguide.com Free App
I'll suggest this also!! People told me the same thing, not to work my dog every day.


Sent from Petguide.com Free App
Liz&Anna is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the German Shepherd Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:18 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
PetGuide.com
Basset.net DobermanTalk.com GoldenRetrieverForum.com OurBeagleWorld.com
BoxerForums.com DogForums.com GoPitbull.com PoodleForum.com
BulldogBreeds.com FishForums.com HavaneseForum.com SpoiledMaltese.com
CatForum.com GermanShepherds.com Labradoodle-dogs.net YorkieForum.com
Chihuahua-People.com RetrieverBreeds.com