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GatorDog 03-24-2014 03:31 PM

Carma IPO Protection video, 3/21/14
 
Making closer steps towards the routine. Focusing on good, active aggression in the guarding (vs her squeaky prey park), secondary obedience, and targeting on the long bites.

https://vimeo.com/89934192

Packen 03-24-2014 08:17 PM

Very nice, I see high in trial coming up soon for her 1! How's her tracking?

GatorDog 03-24-2014 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Packen (Post 5261354)
Very nice, I see high in trial coming up soon for her 1! How's her tracking?

Thank you! Her tracking is good, we just need more experience at this point. We are rusty from having so much snow, but got back to it this weekend for the first time and got 3 solid days in for the first time since late November. I did get some video that I am working on putting together. Calling for snow again tomorrow of course :(

Zahnburg 03-24-2014 10:50 PM

Very nice work. I am sure that you will do well with her.

GatorDog 03-25-2014 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Zahnburg (Post 5262506)
Very nice work. I am sure that you will do well with her.

Thank you!

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ayoitzrimz 03-25-2014 08:57 AM

Awesome work, another great video :)

hunterisgreat 03-25-2014 09:23 AM

Very nice. I'm not the kinda person that gets any use from people just viewing my video and telling me how nice it is, I personally want constructive discussion about it... sooo I'm assuming you want the same...

Some questions (Just questions, nothing implied... Curiosity is my motivation).
  1. In the first minute (I paused to comment), noticed she's setting up stick side and doing a little hunting for the stick (or maybe you've used a ball behind the helpers back or something) before she goes to focused on the helper.
  2. At 1:09, why did the helper mark her moving more to the stick side? It appeared to be a reaction from you walking up to her. What was the motivation for marking that?
  3. Is that a solar panel array in the background? Just curious if you're club is "green"
  4. At ~2:25... the down at the corner of the blind and then call out... I assume that was done that way so you're not screwing with her guarding? If thats how you train the call out, why do you think she turns when you come behind the blind? I'm wondering if you weren't constantly calling her out/picking her up from the guarding why she turns
  5. At ~2:35 she appeared perfectly straight (from the camera angle anyway), why did the helper move her to favor the stick side? Or was she on the sleeve side and that was moved to centered and the camera just makes it hard to see?

Very nice though, prettier OB than mine :-). If you really want to up the aggression, I'd do much much shorter, more intense sessions... one or two bites at most and done. And outside the blind. If you are working higher aggression and doing so much work in one session its counter productive

GatorDog 03-25-2014 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hunterisgreat (Post 5264186)
Very nice. I'm not the kinda person that gets any use from people just viewing my video and telling me how nice it is, I personally want constructive discussion about it... sooo I'm assuming you want the same...


Some questions (Just questions, nothing implied... Curiosity is my motivation).
  1. In the first minute (I paused to comment), noticed she's setting up stick side and doing a little hunting for the stick (or maybe you've used a ball behind the helpers back or something) before she goes to focused on the helper.
  2. At 1:09, why did the helper mark her moving more to the stick side? It appeared to be a reaction from you walking up to her. What was the motivation for marking that?
  3. Is that a solar panel array in the background? Just curious if you're club is "green"
  4. At ~2:25... the down at the corner of the blind and then call out... I assume that was done that way so you're not screwing with her guarding? If thats how you train the call out, why do you think she turns when you come behind the blind? I'm wondering if you weren't constantly calling her out/picking her up from the guarding why she turns
  5. At ~2:35 she appeared perfectly straight (from the camera angle anyway), why did the helper move her to favor the stick side? Or was she on the sleeve side and that was moved to centered and the camera just makes it hard to see?

Very nice though, prettier OB than mine :-). If you really want to up the aggression, I'd do much much shorter, more intense sessions... one or two bites at most and done. And outside the blind. If you are working higher aggression and doing so much work in one session its counter productive

Answers to 1,2 and 5:
My personal preference is to set her up stick side. She has a whole lot of prey, and produces a much stronger guard when we push her stick side, rather that sleeve side. It really isn't any points off (to my understanding) whether they guard dead center, sleeve side or stick side, but I know I will have the stronger guarding if she is focused more stick side. It's ok if she eyeballs the stick a bit at this point in her training because that is what is keeping her aggression going, and I would much rather have that than have her barking at the sleeve ;)

3. It is a field of solar panels, property of the field we rent. I don't know if we are "green", but they apparently are :)

4. I start the call out from the corner in earlier training, but I'm not sure what you mean by her turning when I come behind the blind? We have done a handful of corner call outs before, but this was her first actual call out of the blind during guarding. I didn't notice any anticipation from her, but maybe you saw something that I missed.

I do appreciate any criticism. This is the first dog I am hoping to actually do more than just title and really want to compete with, so I welcome anything seen by others. Its why I take the videos ;)

hunterisgreat 03-25-2014 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorDog (Post 5264370)
Answers to 1,2 and 5:
My personal preference is to set her up stick side. She has a whole lot of prey, and produces a much stronger guard when we push her stick side, rather that sleeve side. It really isn't any points off (to my understanding) whether they guard dead center, sleeve side or stick side, but I know I will have the stronger guarding if she is focused more stick side. It's ok if she eyeballs the stick a bit at this point in her training because that is what is keeping her aggression going, and I would much rather have that than have her barking at the sleeve ;)

3. It is a field of solar panels, property of the field we rent. I don't know if we are "green", but they apparently are :)

4. I start the call out from the corner in earlier training, but I'm not sure what you mean by her turning when I come behind the blind? We have done a handful of corner call outs before, but this was her first actual call out of the blind during guarding. I didn't notice any anticipation from her, but maybe you saw something that I missed.

I do appreciate any criticism. This is the first dog I am hoping to actually do more than just title and really want to compete with, so I welcome anything seen by others. Its why I take the videos ;)

In my experience, once you really turn on the aggression it will not go away where ever you set her up... so in that case rather than make her set up stick side to get the aggression, I'd get the aggression outside of the blind, and then bring it into the B&H in the blind later but keep her straight.

If you watch the video, whenever you walk up closely or walk behind her she begins shifting to the stick more... either to keep an eye on you to prepare for a call out, or something else. But she seemed to consistently do it in that video when I watched it (can't rewatch at the moment). Its not that one thing will cost points now, but anything you don't watch closely tends to snowball until it *does* become an issue... just something to be aware of and manage.

I'd also be very cautious with using the stick to get aggression as the stick in the escape, side transport, and courage test could become a problem.

lesslis 03-25-2014 10:24 AM

Fantastic. Not even close to be able to offer constructive criticism so for selfish, want to learn, reasons, is ecollar tool of choice? You handle it well. Love all the verbal praise!


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