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Old 12-11-2013, 09:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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First, I hope this is the right sub-board for my post.

Second, I'm going to lay some background about my experience with dogs, and I hope I cover it all.

I have had three dogs that I had personally worked and trained with, but dogs have always been in my life (along with cats). From a young age I have loved to work with and learn about animals in general. I trained my cat, who'd I recently lost this October when I was 7. She knew how to sit, fetch, and I walked her on a leash. It was really my way to show my dad I wanted a dog. It wasn't until I was 11 going on 12 that my dad let me have a dog after I begged and begged for a puppy from a group of people who'd lost the mother during birth. It took my dad nearly a week to say okay. I got him when he was just 10 days old. It was summer so I bottle fed him and raised him up until he was 5 months old. He contracted parvo. I had told my dad he needed puppy shots, but he didn't believe me...he'd never had a dog from a puppy we'd always had rescue dogs from shelters and the only shots my dad did was rabies.

Then that christmas my mom got me Klondike my border collie mix. She was 3 months old and this time my dad made sure everything was done to a t when it came to her shots and health. I immediately worked on training her. Before she was a year old she knew how to speak just when I used a questioning tone like 'Has Tiger been mean to you?' and she would nearly hold a 'conversation' with me, she knew 'shh' how to hold a treat on her nose and catch it off, walk off leash at my side, come when called, sit, down, roll over, leave it, wait, and the list goes on. When she was 4 years old I learned about the CGC and went for it going even above and beyond the requirements. I honestly thought the training would be harder. At the time I worked at a pet store that was family owned and they would let me bring Klondike in..it was summer when we trained for the test and I taught her to stay at the store (doors open and another associate would keep an eye on her) as I walked to the Kroger and back. I asked if she stayed in place and work back to distance if she didn't. The test was such a breeze.

So needless to say obedience is no problem with me, training almost comes with ease, but I realize personal protection training is a whole different ball game to obedience. Obviously it does play a part because the dog has to have that 'controlled' foundation.

When I got Chari, she came Schutzhund one trained, but it wasn't something I knew or had heard of before Chari. She introduced me to the world and it fascinates me and perks my interest. I understood...or maybe it was just hearsay, that you need to be careful with training, it must be very controlled or you could potentially hurt the dogs chance of success if training goes wrong.

So...here's my point, I am going to be getting a puppy, hopefully here in June or July. Before she (or possibly he) comes through our door I want to be prepared on what I need to do to set that puppy up for success for Personal Protection. I've been looking at books and trying to make a list of all the books I need to buy and read to educate myself on everything inside and out so I don't miss a thing. I had even sifted through here trying to find things, but as my fiance says "the google fu" is not strong with me. He has the 'google fu' not I. Lol

Is it okay to start with basics right away? Or should I line up training first with a club or is 8-9 weeks too young, as that would be the age in which I get her.
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I suggest you may want to go visit some clubs and ask them about their training programs and if they do puppy classes.
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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PP and IPO are very different. The breeder you choose may have some input on a direction to send you(clubwise) If this is your goal to have a protection trained dog, then choosing the right breeder is most important. And please be careful on WHO you choose, and WHO you are going to train with.
And I would start going to clubs now because you'll learn so much just observing, you don't need a pup or dog to observe and learn.
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Line-breeding for the progency of Sumo Von Der Dewhaus and Blackthorn's Oda


Is this not a good lineage to choose from, it is the one I'm going for...
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good choice! Christine should know who you should train with in your area and who to stay clear of.
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Good! We talked once on the phone and back and forth on gmail. I really like her and I feel very confident with her as the breeder of my choice :3
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I wouldn't worry about books or literature. Most of it is very outdated. There are some good videos you can watch now by different trainers that can help you with the starting focus work and how to work your dog with positive methods. You're also not going to learn a lot without being able to watch others and have others critique your training and progress.

You should really start going to clubs, finding and figuring out the training methods you're going to use with your dog. You need people around you that have experience training the type of dog you want, in the type of work you want it to do. A book will give you a standard way of doing something, just one way of teaching an exercise, it won't give you any solutions when you run into problems or that way doesn't work for your dog.

If you're planning on IPO or PP...you'll need others to help you anyways. You can't be your own helper and handler. You'll need to have controlled training environments that you're unlikely to be able to set up with just yourself.
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Old 12-11-2013, 11:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I never plan on doing this alone...I just need help pointing in the right direction.

I just now have two clubs in mind...but I was hoping I would have more options. My only conflict right now is my job. I need to know what type of time constraints go along with getting into this type of field.

Is this something like 2 to 3 times a week that I go to the club. My job is very erratic. I rarely get a weekend off. I usually have wednesday and thursdays off if I'm lucky to have two days in a row off. I know I can try and make Saturdays work if they meet at 6pm as I can have myself scheduled opens.

Believe me I understand training doesn't just stop and start at the club, training is also at home.

It's right now between Estate Dogs and RoseHaven Kennels.
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Are you looking for personal protection or schutzhund/IPO type stuff? I'm sure your breeder can help you with either.
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I was, until several hours ago really keen on personal protection, but I feel that might be too centered now after much thought and information. I like the personal protection aspect, but I'm thinking SchH might hold all the personal protection I need.

My whole goal with my puppy, when I get her or him here in roughly June will be to have a family dog that I can take just about EVERYWHERE with me when I'm not at work, and have the capability to protect and guard me and my fiance (not that he needs guarding as he views himself to be all the protection we need) if anything happens. More or less a dog that will stop a situation before it gets to the point my fiance has to draw his weapon.

I know he doesn't feel it to be necessary but I have always felt safe with a dog, I've never had to defend myself as I have had my dog, Klondike, and even my dog, Chari deter anyone from getting to that point.

Either way, I would like to do more than just basic to advance obedience with my gsd puppy. I'm thinking SchH would be a good and fun experience now that I reacquainted myself to what it looks like with some videos. It's been awhile as I had taken Chari a few times to her former owners club, they would do just some fun bite sleeve stuff with her and I had watched them do a few training classes before. Even before I got Chari my assistant manager had a shepherd she did training with, and I went to the Giles (Chari's former owners) and saw her do SchH.

I guess I thought PPD training would fit me, but again after much deliberation and thought perhaps SchH is better.
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